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horse said:

Does anyone know what this long term strategy towards China is being devised by the Americans?

It is all BS.

It has to be coherent.

If it is not coherent, it will not be taken too seriously and China will continue unimpeded, like what it is doing now.

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I bet biden will hire Pompeo. Or hire someone like Pompeo but is actually competent. That's why both Trump and Biden are bad for China. It's just that Biden is worse, because they both hate China. But Biden will be more competent in trying to undermine China.

free_6ix9ine said:

I bet biden will hire Pompeo. Or hire someone like Pompeo but is actually competent. That's why both Trump and Biden are bad for China. It's just that Biden is worse, because they both hate China. But Biden will be more competent in trying to undermine China.

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In my opinion, this article the last paragraph describes exactly what has happened and what is the situation now. Needless to say, if the strategy is pursued by the Americans, the same situation should persist.

Trump and his minions rant about a new Cold War, but they are woefully ignorant of how the United States succeeded in the old Cold War and how China differs from the Soviet Union. They have drifted toward a lose-lose strategy: The United States and China can hurt each other — but to what end? Trump masquerades hostility as strategy.

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If it is a lose-lose, then who wins?

The side that loses less, that is who wins.

IMHO, the pandemic changed everything. Only one country is growing in the world economically speaking, and installing 5G networks which drive further growth in the next few years. When is this going to happen for the rest of the world?

The lose-lose situation, has changed into a win-lose situation.

We know which side is which.

horse said:

In my opinion, this article the last paragraph describes exactly what has happened and what is the situation now. Needless to say, if the strategy is pursued by the Americans, the same situation should persist.

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If it is a lose-lose, then who wins?

The side that loses less, that is who wins.

IMHO, the pandemic changed everything. Only one country is growing in the world economically speaking, and installing 5G networks which drive further growth in the next few years. When is this going to happen for the rest of the world?

The lose-lose situation, has changed into a win-lose situation.

We know which side is which.

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I think your projecting the way Chinese people think on to American leaders. The US doesn't care about lose lose. They care about power. Even if it means lose lose, as long as the US maintains power over every other country. They are willing to accept lose lose economically.

China has a merchant mindset. The US has a global hegemony mindset.

That is what I have been wondering for a while, when I am not betting on something.

How can the Americans turn the lose-lose into a win for themselves?

But, right now, it is a win-lose, how can they turn that around?

All of the west economies are contracting. Gang up on China, all of the west economies would still be contracting, while the Chinese is growing. I do not see how that works.

Ganging up on Chinese by the west, on the economic front, does not seem to have a chance to work.

What about technology? Well, guess which country in the world is building out standalone 5G networks? Is the purpose of ganging up on China on technology, is the goal there is to have China lead the world in building a potentially revolutionary product? The United States thinks 5G is revolutionary, otherwise they would not have bothered to fight so hard. No matter how they lose, they fight to the end on this issue. Here the CCP will rub this in their faces as much as they can.

Unless they can demonstrate a plan that slows China down (just slowing down!), then this strategy is just a wish to the tooth fairy.

Best strategy here for China is pretend to be the victim of western imperialism. That act still has a lot of currency in the developing world.

free_6ix9ine said:

I think your projecting the way Chinese people think on to American leaders. The US doesn't care about lose lose. They care about power. Even if it means lose lose, as long as the US maintains power over every other country. They are willing to accept lose lose economically.

China has a merchant mindset. The US has a global hegemony mindset.

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The way I see it, if the Americans are willing to accept the lose-lose, the Chinese are willing to accept the lose-lose.

The difference is that one side claims they got this, and knows what it is doing.

The other side has no idea what that other guy is doing. But, they will play along to see where this leads.

horse said:

That is what I have been wondering for a while, when I am not betting on something.

How can the Americans turn the lose-lose into a win for themselves?

But, right now, it is a win-lose, how can they turn that around?

All of the west economies are contracting. Gang up on China, all of the west economies would still be contracting, while the Chinese is growing. I do not see how that works.

Ganging up on Chinese by the west, does not seem to have a chance to work.

What about technology? Well, guess which country in the world is building out standalone 5G networks? Is the purpose of ganging up on China on technology, is the goal there is to have China lead the world in building a potentially revolutionary product? The United States thinks 5G is revolutionary, otherwise they would not have bothered to fight so hard. No matter how they lose, they fight to the end on this issue. Here the CCP will rub this in their faces as much as they can.

Unless they can demonstrate a plan that slows China down (just slowing down!), then this strategy is just a wish to the tooth fairy.

Best strategy here for China is pretend to be the victim of western imperialism. That act still has a lot of currency in the developing world.

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5G is not the be all, end all. The US will probably try to out-innovate China will also using sanctions to slow China down. Just cause China has 5G doesn't mean China has overtaken the US

The US has more cards to play. Since they have the global currency, they can print themselves out of a recession. While also buying allies. China doesn't have that option.

horse said:

The way I see it, if the Americans are willing to accept the lose-lose, the Chinese are willing to accept the lose-lose.

The difference is that one side claims they got this, and knows what it is doing.

The other side has no idea what that other guy is doing. But, they will play along to see where this leads.

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I don't understand what your saying. I would say that China isn't playing this geopolitical game well. If China wants to win a cold War they need a incompetent american leader like Trump and need to change their merchant mindset and also need a more competent leadership to improve their geopolitical strategy.

free_6ix9ine said:

5G is not the be all, end all. The US will probably try to out-innovate China will also using sanctions to slow China down. Just cause China has 5G doesn't mean China has overtaken the US

The US has more cards to play. Since they have the global currency, they can print themselves out of a recession. While also buying allies. China doesn't have that option.

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Depends, there is a pitfall using this strategy. Right now Democrats are expected to win the trifecta (House, Senat, and Presidency). However, as shown during the 2010 midterm, suddenly Republicans became deficit hawks with the rise of the tea party faction and retake the House. That's why I don't think the democrats can easily print and spend.

caudaceus said:

Depends, there is a pitfall using this strategy. Right now Democrats are expected to win the trifecta (House, Senat, and Presidency). However, as shown during the 2010 midterm, suddenly Republicans became deficit hawks with the rise of the tea party faction and retake the House. That's why I don't think the democrats can easily print and spend.

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Maybe, but which other country in this world can sling around a trillion dollars stimulus plans every few weeks? Same applies to innovation. The US can pour trillions into 6G 7G and out compete China.

It's kinda of how the US baited the Soviet Union into a arms race that would bankrupt the SU without firing a shot.

Only way for China to win. Is to undermine the confidence in the US dollar. Because of China's merchant mindset of relying on cheap labor for exports, China doesn't want to undermine the USD. Because they benefit from the USD system.

That's why I say China needs to reevaluate the merchant mindset and develop a more cohesive geopolitical strategy. Xi Jinping is falling into the bait that Pompeo set and bickering with Taiwan, ASEAN, India. While driving these third parties deeper into the embrace of the US. The US wants these places to fight their proxy war with China. Kind of like how the US armed Taliban to dedeat the Soviet Union.

free_6ix9ine said:

I don't understand what your saying. I would say that China isn't playing this geopolitical game well. If China wants to win a cold War they need a incompetent american leader like Trump and need to change their merchant mindset and also need a more competent leadership to improve their geopolitical strategy.

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Look at it this way from a basic angle of how a company is run. The important things are to stay focused on your goals. What are the goals for the CCP?

I going back the idea of Chairman Mao, kick the Americans out of East Asia.

Then there probably a new goal too, globalization, with China benefiting from that via trade with other countries. The One Belt One Road project would be another effort at that.

Then there are always the internal goals of self-improvement, outlined continuous in policy ideas and 5 year plans.

Anything else, probably just periphery concerns.