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—Russia is more dependent on oil becoming a Petrostate if it hasn’t already. Meanwhile Deindustrialization is actually happening in other important sectors.

—Russian Central Bank expects an 8-10% drop in GDP this year. Year on year GDP dropped 4% already in the 2nd quarter. Consumer demand dropped by more than 10%. Manufacturing slumped by 4%. Third quarter 2022 is likely to be even worse.

—Putin has nothing to smile about except oil prices. Even here he’s likely to face competition as the Iran Nuclear Deal is likely to be signed; opening up another source of Oil for Europe.
 

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—Russia is more dependent on oil becoming a Petrostate if it hasn’t already. Meanwhile Deindustrialization is actually happening in other important sectors.

—Russian Central Bank expects an 8-10% drop in GDP this year. Year on year GDP dropped 4% already in the 2nd quarter. Consumer demand dropped by more than 10%. Manufacturing slumped by 4%. Third quarter 2022 is likely to be even worse.

—Putin has nothing to smile about except oil prices. Even here he’s likely to face competition as the Iran Nuclear Deal is likely to be signed; opening up another source of Oil for Europe.
Didn't western news agencies predict the Russian economy to drop by 30% this year? 10% seems like a win!

The war started in February, most companies left in March and April. Time will tell if third quarter will be worse. Why are you so pessimistic?

Europe is desperate for the Iran deal. But even with the deal, it will just shift supply from one to another. Oil prices will likely never go back to levels of 2020. Inflation is here to stay. Russia will still have income. Not just from oil but other raw materials and natural gas.
 

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And it’s not the first time mining giant BHP has accepted payment in yuan.
In May 2020, it delivered a cargo of Brazilian iron ore to China’s Baowu Steel Group – the world’s biggest steelmaker.
“The fear of China sourcing alternative supplies of iron ore from Brazil and Peru is a real threat,” said Dr De Melo.
“BHP’s move with iron ore is certainly a good one.”
Nor was it alone. At the same time, Baowu said it had struck similar deals with iron-ore firms Vale, from Brazil, and Australia’s Rio Tinto and Fortescue Metals Group.
“Australia’s iron ore is the best in the world, and China will be dependent on it for many decades,” he said.

Thanks good read.


Aside from a few things that article claimed. Like the real threat to completely cut off Australia ore and replace it from south America. That's has been the case for ages. If it was real, China would have done it at the height of the trade dispute. Something else about iron ore from Australia that's hard to ditch. I wish it was easy but seems like it's not. There's talk of China developing something in new guinea that might rival Australia though. Here's hoping it will be ready soon.

And the article claim about China making no secret to replace the US dollar. I think that's overstating things. China never been open about trying to replace the dollar. In fact I think Chinese officials have stated in the past they are not trying to do that.
 

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Didn't western news agencies predict the Russian economy to drop by 30% this year? 10% seems like a win!

The war started in February, most companies left in March and April. Time will tell if third quarter will be worse. Why are you so pessimistic?

Europe is desperate for the Iran deal. But even with the deal, it will just shift supply from one to another. Oil prices will likely never go back to levels of 2020. Inflation is here to stay. Russia will still have income. Not just from oil but other raw materials and natural gas.
Im sure Putin will actually keep on smiling when Iran gets world market access again.
There are plans for Russia to invest $40 billion worth into Iranian energy infrastructure im sure a bit of profit sharing is part of the deal.

The question is will Iran even sell on the global market would you really trust the west not to take your money again.
If they do Iran deserves to just be poor here's an old dutch proverb as advice that goes something like this "Even a donkey doesn't bump into the same stone twice".

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—Russia is more dependent on oil becoming a Petrostate if it hasn’t already. Meanwhile Deindustrialization is actually happening in other important sectors.

Putin has nothing to smile about except oil prices. Even here he’s likely to face competition as the Iran Nuclear Deal is likely to be signed; opening up another source of Oil for Europe.

German industry is grinding to a halt

For the first time in a generation, the country has an export deficit.

The Soviet Union had only just collapsed. The world was a very different place when Germany last posted a trade deficit way back in 1991. But on Monday, the country recorded that imports outstripped exports for more than 30 years. True, other countries are recording huge deficits, not least the UK. For Germany, though, it matters more. Its entire economy has been built around creating an industrial machine that dominates global markets. That machine is now grinding to a halt.

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By the standards of Britain, the United States, or indeed France, the €1 billion deficit that Germany announced today might seem like a mere accounting error. Exports unexpectedly fell, while imports surged as the cost of energy spiked. It is not as if the country is about to go bust or call in the IMF to pay its bills. But here’s the catch. Germany is almost uniquely an export-based economy. Until recently it was racking up surpluses of 8 or 9 per cent of GDP, or €20 billion a month, the biggest in the world. And there are three big problems with that disappearing.

First, the German economy is based on selling high-end industrial goods to the rest of the world. Unlike many other countries, it doesn’t have huge service industries to take up the slack if that goes into decline, nor does it have a major financial centre to bring in invisible earnings if the container ships start to go elsewhere. Take the big exporters out of the German economy and it is a little hard to figure out what is left.

What follows a fall in exports is a fall in those well-paid manufacturing jobs that are the backbone of the German economy. True, given a little time Germany should be able to create jobs in services and retail as many other countries have done. But they won’t be paid as much, nor will they necessarily suit blue collar workers. A whole generation of skilled Germans will have little else to do.

Finally, it is going to mean a massive eurozone deficit as well. Of all the countries within the zone, Germany was the only major surplus country. The result? The currency will weaken and weaken.

In truth, the German industrial export machine was fuelled by cheap energy from Russia – and that fuel could soon run dry, as Wolfgang Münchau
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in last week’s magazine. For most of the post-war era, Germany has prided itself on very low inflation, a stable currency, and a huge trade surplus. Right now, it has a very Italian or Greek mix of 8 per cent inflation, a crumbling currency, and a rising trade deficit. Many other countries are used to that, but for Germans it will come as a shock.

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German industry is grinding to a halt

For the first time in a generation, the country has an export deficit.

The Soviet Union had only just collapsed. The world was a very different place when Germany last posted a trade deficit way back in 1991. But on Monday, the country recorded that imports outstripped exports for more than 30 years. True, other countries are recording huge deficits, not least the UK. For Germany, though, it matters more. Its entire economy has been built around creating an industrial machine that dominates global markets. That machine is now grinding to a halt.

By the standards of Britain, the United States, or indeed France, the €1 billion deficit that Germany announced today might seem like a mere accounting error. Exports unexpectedly fell, while imports surged as the cost of energy spiked. It is not as if the country is about to go bust or call in the IMF to pay its bills. But here’s the catch. Germany is almost uniquely an export-based economy. Until recently it was racking up surpluses of 8 or 9 per cent of GDP, or €20 billion a month, the biggest in the world. And there are three big problems with that disappearing.

First, the German economy is based on selling high-end industrial goods to the rest of the world. Unlike many other countries, it doesn’t have huge service industries to take up the slack if that goes into decline, nor does it have a major financial centre to bring in invisible earnings if the container ships start to go elsewhere. Take the big exporters out of the German economy and it is a little hard to figure out what is left.

What follows a fall in exports is a fall in those well-paid manufacturing jobs that are the backbone of the German economy. True, given a little time Germany should be able to create jobs in services and retail as many other countries have done. But they won’t be paid as much, nor will they necessarily suit blue collar workers. A whole generation of skilled Germans will have little else to do.

Finally, it is going to mean a massive eurozone deficit as well. Of all the countries within the zone, Germany was the only major surplus country. The result? The currency will weaken and weaken.

In truth, the German industrial export machine was fuelled by cheap energy from Russia – and that fuel could soon run dry, as Wolfgang Münchau
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in last week’s magazine. For most of the post-war era, Germany has prided itself on very low inflation, a stable currency, and a huge trade surplus. Right now, it has a very Italian or Greek mix of 8 per cent inflation, a crumbling currency, and a rising trade deficit. Many other countries are used to that, but for Germans it will come as a shock.

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It may seem counterintuitive, but a drop in exports is a good thing for Germany. It mostly has a trade surplus with other poorer European countries. Countries like Greece import German products and pay with borrowed money. It's sort of like what is emerging from trade between China and America.

A drop in exports effectively means less handouts for the EU.
 

Petrolicious88

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Im sure Putin will actually keep on smiling when Iran gets world market access again.
There are plans for Russia to invest $40 billion worth into Iranian energy infrastructure im sure a bit of profit sharing is part of the deal.

The question is will Iran even sell on the global market would you really trust the west not to take your money again.
If they do Iran deserves to just be poor here's an old dutch proverb as advice that goes something like this "Even a donkey doesn't bump into the same stone twice".

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Thats true. Would Iran really trust the West again. Whoever wins 2024 could break the deal again. What guarantee does Iran have this time.

As for Russia, wouldn't increased global supply coming from Iran result in lower oil prices?
 
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