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Equation

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Sounds to me like the UN Human Rights Commission is a joke. How does he know for sure other than speculation that China's new security law's "As a result, it leaves the door wide open to further restrictions of the rights and freedoms of Chinese citizens and to even tighter control of civil society by the Chinese authorities than there is already?" Doesn't the guys own country of Jordan have a far worse human rights violations than China? :rolleyes:o_O

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Jeff Head

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Sounds to me like the UN Human Rights Commission is a joke. How does he know for sure other than speculation that China's new security law's "As a result, it leaves the door wide open to further restrictions of the rights and freedoms of Chinese citizens and to even tighter control of civil society by the Chinese authorities than there is already?"
The Commissioner is the person who has the job of making such determinations. As such, I have to believe he has access to more information than we do.

Equation said:
Doesn't the guys own country of Jordan have a far worse human rights violations than China? :rolleyes:o_O
Just because his own nation has problems, it does not impugn his integrity in the job he has been given at the UN.

My feeling is that China needs to have a tougher skin about this stuff.

Rather than come out swinging (which IMHO makes them look bad), they should request the documentation and data which this man used to make such an assertion.

if it is provided...go through it and take issue with the specific data.

If it is not provided, then point this out to the world and indicate that it is impossible to defend yourself based on mystery data that is not available.

That's how one should address such things and build a stronger reputation.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
The Commissioner is the person who has the job of making such determinations. As such, I have to believe he has access to more information than we do.

Just because his own nation has problems, it does not impugn his integrity in the job he has been given at the UN.

My feeling is that China needs to have a tougher skin about this stuff.

Rather than come out swinging (which IMHO makes them look bad), they should request the documentation and data which this man used to make such an assertion.

Since when does defending one's integrity equals to being a thin skin? My point is NOBODY gets to point fingers at anybody's problems period. The world doesn't need a self righteous referee to be simply pointing finger and nation shaming. That's just pure bullying by passive aggressive soft power BS. China was just hitting back at the Commissioner (of hypocrisy) that's all. And if he doesn't like it, than he is more than welcome to come back with another accusation or arguments. o_O:rolleyes:
 
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Blackstone

Brigadier
Since when does defending one's integrity equals to being a thin skin? My point is NOBODY gets to point fingers at anybody's problems period. The world doesn't need a self righteous referee to be simply pointing finger and nation shaming. That's just pure bullying by passive aggressive soft power BS. China was just hitting back at the Commissioner (of hypocrisy) that's all. And if he doesn't like it, than he is more than welcome to come back with another accusation or arguments. o_O:rolleyes:
Don't worry, China will get used to it and develop thicker skin. I say that because, as an American, you no doubt know UN attacks the US more than anyone else. It seems like a hobby for them. Over time, Americans have developed calluses over endless UN condemnations. Being kicked around in the UN (or ASEAN) is part of being a great power, and if China wants to be one, they'd have to man up and take it, just like US has done for 70 years.
 
I think everyone has the right to point out everyone's problems, it goes both directions. Whether the accusations are accurate, the intent is constructive or destructive, whether it is convincing, are all worth considering in the back and forth. It is communication and a crucial part of any relationship.
 
A watershed moment?

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Pakistan and India agree to cooperate over terrorism
After rare meeting between prime ministers, India also says Narendra Modi will visit Islamabad next year.
10 Jul 2015 10:12 GMT | Politics, Pakistan, India, Asia

The prime ministers of Pakistan and India have agreed at a rare meeting to cooperate on eliminating terrorism in South Asia, Pakistan's foreign ministry said.

In a sign of easing relations, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi also accepted his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif's invitation to attend a South Asian regional summit to be held in Islamabad next year.

"Both sides condemned terrorism in all its forms and agreed to cooperate with each other to eliminate the menace of terrorism from south Asia," Pakistani Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry said in a statement on Friday.

Sharif and Modi met in the Russian city of Ufa, where they were attending summits of the BRICS trade group and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Pakistani television showed the pair shaking hands and smiling.

After around an hour of talks between the two leaders, their governments issued a joint statement including vague commitments on some of the most contentious issues between them, including speeding up efforts to bring those behind the 2008 Mumbai attacks to justice.

While Sharif did attend Modi's inauguration in May last year, relations soon cooled amid flare-ups in violence along the border in Kashmir, the Himalayan region which is claimed by both countries.

Modi's participation at the next summit of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) in Islamabad next year will be the first time that Modi travels to Pakistan since coming to power.

Major issues

Al Jazeera’s Kamal Hyder, reporting from Islamabad, said that the development was a positive step, but the issues between the two countries were too complicated to be taken care of through a single meeting.

"The major issues are water distribution, the territorial dispute of Kashmir and the Mumbai massacre, which India blames Pakistan for," he said.

"Pakistan also claims that Indian intelligence is involved on its borders, destabilising the country."

The two countries have fought three wars since the partition of the sub-continent in the wake of independence from Britain in 1947, two of them over Kashmir.

Since 1989 several Kashmiri rebel groups have waged campaigns against the hundreds of thousands of Indian forces deployed in the region, hoping to achieve independence or a merger of the territory with Pakistan.

While the situation has been much calmer since a 2003 truce, India accused Pakistan of killing one of its border guards on Thursday night in firing across the de-facto Kashmir border known as the Line of Control.

Source: Al Jazeera and agencies
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Land Grab Protest in Vietnam Results in Death of Farmer
There is also video of the event on Youtube; however, such video is considered as graphic by the standard of SDF. So, I won't post it here.
A 54-year-old Vietnamese woman died on Friday from injuries sustained when she was crushed by a bulldozer while she and fellow farmers were protesting the confiscation of farmland in northern Vietnam.

In an incident filmed by witnesses and posted on Youtube, Le Thi Cham is seen pinned under the bulldozer's track while she and dozens of farmers shout in vain to get the driver to stop.

According to Vietnamese state media, the farmers were protesting over the meager compensation for farmland seized to build an industrial park in Cam Dien, Hai Duong province, about 60 km (36 miles) from the capital Hanoi. Cham was taken to the hospital in critical condition, but died of her injuries, the reports said.

Land grabs in which government officials use their authority to confiscate and sell land to developers are a common cause of social unrest across Southeast Asia and China, with cases causes small- and-large scale protests on an almost weekly basis.

In many cases, local villagers say they receive little compensation or less than was promised by authorities and are forced to vacate fertile land for less-productive parcels far from their places of origin and with poor infrastructure.
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Equation

Lieutenant General
I think everyone has the right to point out everyone's problems, it goes both directions. Whether the accusations are accurate, the intent is constructive or destructive, whether it is convincing, are all worth considering in the back and forth. It is communication and a crucial part of any relationship.

It will lead to nothing but tit for tat arguments in which are very unproductive.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
And the beat goes on... drums keeps poundin' a rhythm to the brain... his-to-ry has turned a page un-huh.


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Beijing (dpa) – More than 50 human rights lawyers and activists in China have been “detained, disappeared or summoned by police” in a nationwide crackdown over the past 48 hours, Amnesty International said Saturday.

“We are hearing that some lawyers were told they were being arrested on suspicion of picking quarrels and creating disturbances,” Amnesty’s China researcher William Nee said.

At least five employees of the Beijing Fengrui law firm have gone missing, with some “forcibly taken away” by either police or unidentified men, fellow lawyers at the firm said Friday on Twitter.

The firm is known for taking sensitive cases. It represents Zhang Miao, a Chinese news assistant employed by German weekly Die Zeit, who was detained in October after helping to report on pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong. She was released Thursday.

Others detained include Beijing-based rights lawyer Li Heping, who had represented high-profile clients such as blind advocate Chen Guangcheng, the New York Times reported.

Another prominent rights lawyer, Sui Muqing, was detained in the southern city of Guangzhou after police told him to go outside because something had happened to his car, according to Nee.

Nee said the arrests could be connected to a sweeping national security law approved by China’s legislature this month.

The far-reaching and vaguely worded legislation empowers the state to take “all necessary measures” to protect its sovereignty, and calls for defence against “bad cultural influences,” “malignant groups” and “criminal activities under the guise of religion.”

“It is too early to tell but the national security law could have given the government more confidence to round up these people,” Nee said.

The new law could lead to additional crackdowns on civic freedoms, United Nations’ high commissioner for human rights Zeid Ra’ad Al Husseid said in Geneva on Wednesday.

Hussein said the law does not properly define what constitutes a security threat.

“As a result, it leaves the door wide open to further restrictions of the rights and freedoms of Chinese citizens, and to even tighter control of civil society by the Chinese authorities than there is already.”
 
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