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MortyandRick

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Petrolicious88 said:
Elective procedures…like cosmetic surgery.
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No, actually plastic surgery are frequently done in private clinics and are not restricted as much surprisingly. Elective hospital procedures, so anything non urgent. eg gall bladder removal, spine surgery, joint replacement, non urgent cardiac surgeries, possibly scopes as well etc. still will likely cause a lot of morbidity.
 
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Petrolicious88

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MortyandRick said:
No, actually plastic surgery are frequently done in private clinics and are not restricted as much surprisingly. Elective hospital procedures, so anything non urgent. eg gall bladder removal, spine surgery, joint replacement, non urgent cardiac surgeries, possibly scopes as well etc. still will likely cause a lot of morbidity.
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That’s true. But of course if a person is having appendicitis or acute cholecystitis, hospitals have a moral responsibility to not turn those patients away, Covid or not.
 
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MortyandRick

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Petrolicious88 said:
That’s true. But of course if a person is having appendicitis or acute cholecystitis, hospitals have a moral responsibility to not turn those patients away, Covid or not.
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That’s right but wait times can be quite long. Especially in community and secondary hospitals. I know of a few cases of patients dying from appendicitis because it took too long for surgery. And heard of a couple who lost a baby because there was no anesthesiologist for the c section.

I’m not trying to defend the hospitals in xian and what happened to those poor women should not have happened but running a hospital is very difficult especiallyi during COVID, and these tragedies will occur even in the best of times. The key is to learn from them. they should have learned from Wuhan and developed proper protocols with proper training. that was their problem. Right now they need to do a comprehensive review then come up with a change in policy and protocol so these types of tragedies can be minimized in the future.
 
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MortyandRick said:
I’m not trying to defend the hospitals in xian and what happened to those poor women should not have happened but running a hospital is very difficult especiallyi during COVID, and these tragedies will occur even in the best of times. The key is to learn from them. they should have learned from Wuhan and developed proper protocols with proper training. that was their problem. Right now they need to do a comprehensive review then come up with a change in policy and protocol so these types of tragedies can be minimized in the future.
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A private hospital.
 
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A little perhaps controversial opinion: the protest in Kazakhstan turning into a violent riot and mob attacks was partly due to the ineffective intelligence network the local NSC possess on these protesters' agendas and operations, and the almost baffling performance from the Kazakhstan police and SOBR (who were either captured, videotaped and humiliated, or turn tails abandoning their lines, or even further defecting to the mobs entirely) The government installations and paramilitary installations were so poorly defended that they allowed the mobs to arm themselves quickly with military-grade weapons. Only the presence of the army, elite airborne units and special forces did turn the tide of the event.
 
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MortyandRick said:
Even though they are a part of the SCO, the SCO will not intervene and china will not intervene publicly. I am sure behind closed doors, china is monitoring the situation along the xinjiang border closely.

These were never just rioters but well organized coup plotters. How else could they ransack military outposts, get heavy weapons, take over police stations and airports so quickly with no organization. They also beheaded 3 security officers. These are not run of the mill protesters. Imagine people like this going into Xinjiang. Thank goodness the Chinese have very strict border control in Xinjiang.

As I mentioned yesterday, I am not surprised there is a heavy response right now and Russia has already deployed troops. This needs to be suppressed quickly and it seems their response is quite quick, I do feel that the current govt has the advantage now. They allowed the protesters to show their true “Colors” by showed ransacked businesses, fires, looting, and injuring law enforcement at the same time acquiescing to protester demands. Once the agitators continued to wreck havoc, they came down hard. With CSTO support, the Govt will have the advantage.

Once the dust settles, I would not be surprised if there will be even less of an opposition now than before. And if kazakstan is sanctioned, they will rely more on China And Russia.

This played out in Belarus, Syria, Iran, HK, etc. I think these countries with Russia and china should get together and develop ways to counter theses types of coups. There must be a better way.
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Now you know why they brought J-20s, J-16s, and Su-30SMs to last year's Sino-Russian exercise.
 
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One Reason for Rising Food Prices? Chinese Hoarding.​

Keen to avoid shortages and reduce dependence on imports, the government is stockpiling goods on a massive scale.

China will be somehow found to be at fault regardless of what it does lol...

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