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LawLeadsToPeace

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Does China pursue companies for overseas corruption?
Answer is yes
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Note this story is pretty recent
In that article, the DRC investigated the companies and informed the Chinese of their decision. The Chinese also investigated the companies and found that they are guilty as well. In short, the DRC government is proactive in their investigation, and the Chinese, unlike the Western nations, cooperated with them. Based on that, if the bribes claim in Kenya is true, the Kenyan government needs to step it up Instead of expecting everyone else to do the dirty work for them.
 

broadsword

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In that article, the DRC investigated the companies and informed the Chinese of their decision. The Chinese also investigated the companies and found that they are guilty as well. In short, the DRC government is proactive in their investigation, and the Chinese, unlike the Western nations, cooperated with them. Based on that, if the bribes claim in Kenya is true, the Kenyan government needs to step it up Instead of expecting everyone else to do the dirty work for them.

Are the Chinese companies in Kenya government-owned?
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Are the Chinese companies in Kenya government-owned?
There is a mix of Chinese SOE’s and private companies in Kenya. Also while I did a check on that, I found this:
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In short, it seems that the Kenyan government is functional. That only furthers my point: the Chinese don’t need to do s**t; the local governments need to enforce their law, and the Chinese will cooperate. Otherwise, it’s all legal, and those claims of bribery may only be equivalent to the Trump-era claims of voter fraud.
 

broadsword

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There is a mix of Chinese SOE’s and private companies in Kenya. Also while I did a check on that, I found this:
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In short, it seems that the Kenyan government is functional. That only furthers my point: the Chinese don’t need to do s**t; the local governments need to enforce their law, and the Chinese will cooperate. Otherwise, it’s all legal, and those claims of bribery may only be equivalent to the Trump-era claims of voter fraud.

I don't know if the Chinese SOEs were lucky when compared with:
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solarz

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You sound pretty angry to me, which is fine. You're entitled to feel mad just as I'm entitled to not care.

I'll keep this short because arguing with you doesn't add any substance to this forum or topic.

How am I moving the goal post? My original post in this clearly stated



Ive been consistent with my point. It's hasn't changed.



You asked how and I told you what I think. Is it gonna work? Maybe, maybe not but it's a lot better than doing the same old PR thing that china has been doing and expecting a different result. It's like in the early 1990s and 2000s, china made token laws on copyright infringements but with patchy enforcement. That way it appeased enough in the West and allowed china to upgrade their technology.

It's easy to blame Americans social media putting china at a disadvantage and that is true, but that's why china has to work harder to find new ways to promote their messaging and not give up. Like Huawei is doing in spite of US sanctions. When the US talks about Huawei spying, china should constantly bring up PRISM and the CLOUD act in every foreign department response during that time. Huawei openly mentioned it at a mobile technology conference and I think it was impactful.

I'm not gonna sit here and yell that everything they do is great, they do most things very well, but no one is perfect. I still feel that china needs to work on its approach to messaging and change up their strategy in this regard.

Case in point, their current strategy of releasing those videos and pictures of the Galwan conflict is very effective. And I'm glad their are adapting and changing their PR strategies. Wouldn't you agree?

And I for one hope they continue to adjust and adapt as the situation changes. I'd like to see a china news channels having more international influence than CTGN has right now. I think it's definitely doable.

Anyhow I've said what I wanted to say regarding this issue.

So you went from China needs to order it's companies to stop bribing officials in Kenya to China needs to do better PR to China is doing fine on PR.

Your switch in position is dizzying.

Well let's try to dissect this:

First, you say China should have an anti-corruption law for overseas companies and just not enforce it. Okay, have you actually done any research to see if China already has such a law? My guess is no, because China most definitely does prosecute overseas companies for violating local laws provided local authorities provides enough evidence to determine guilt. So again, the onus is not on China but on the local authorities.

As for China's PR, don't kid yourself, those Galwan videos are for Indian authorities. They're not going to have much of any reach among the regular public. As for CGTN, they now have a couple of million subscribers on YouTube, whereas a couple of years ago they were only a fraction of that. So you want to see a more successful channel than CGTN? CGTN put in massive amounts of work to get where they are today, and somehow you think China can just magically pop out a more influential channel?
 
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