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voyager1 said:

Good news.

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If true, it is a good choice to extend CPEC to Afghanistan. China has learnt a lot of lessons there and it could drive economic growth by increasing trade and infrastructure there.



Afghanistan is smart then. The US will drop bombs on them, and China will drop money. Easy choice



Lol the Afghan gov listened to Indians "delusions" hahaha. Serves them right. It seems they have learnt their lesson this time


Well at least this Indian is right. Anyone with half a brain knows that the road to Afghanistan influence passes through Pakistan. So with China having an ally on Pakistan, things will go much easier for it


And the last part shows the stark difference between the US and China on Afghanistan

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Unfortunately investing anything in Afghanistan is as good as burning money. That place literally houses all kinds of militant organizations and mercenaries who'll do anything for the right price ( ETIM also operates from there) . Nothing would stop US , India to destroy Chinese projects in the country.
Also negotiating with the Kabul admin is a waste of time. With the way Taliban is capturing districts , by end of 2021 there wont be any Afghanistan Govt left.
Lets wait for the place to get stabilized before throwing even a single dollar at it. I mean CPEC in Pakistan despite being heavily guarded has faced multiple terrorist attacks, could you imagine what'll happen in Afghanistan.

voyager1 said:

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China must engage with Afghanistan, whether we like it or not. They are a neighbor, and its always better that we help to develop the country and make it prosperous or others will also try to tear the country down (like the indians who just want a bigger hellhole to occupy pakistan). Keep in mind with the instability, it also creates less competition from other risk-adverse investors. If china is to invest in afghanistan, it should be in concert with Iran and Pakistan, who also share common interests and have cultural/religious ties.

The taliban will have some future in the government structure of the country, as they have successfully re-emerged after defeating the US in a 20 year occupation (which i never expected). Its imperative that China does not deploy its own troops on the ground, and for that reason china needs to develop some level of working relations with taliban, the local tribes, along with the federal government, which looks like it may only end up controlling the capitol and very little else.

Kaeshmiri said:

Unfortunately investing anything in Afghanistan is as good as burning money. That place literally houses all kinds of militant organizations and mercenaries who'll do anything for the right price ( ETIM also operates from there) . Nothing would stop US , India to destroy Chinese projects in the country.
Also negotiating with the Kabul admin is a waste of time. With the way Taliban is capturing districts , by end of 2021 there wont be any Afghanistan Govt left.
Lets wait for the place to get stabilized before throwing even a single dollar at it. I mean CPEC in Pakistan despite being heavily guarded has faced multiple terrorist attacks, could you imagine what'll happen in Afghanistan.

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China already has good relations with Taliban and AFAIK Taliban is actively seeking Chinese investments to their infrastructure. So naturally they will also provide protection.

Now, as you said, the Afghan gov is collapsing so China wont rush to strike a deal. First it will wait to see what will happen politically. IMO Afghan gov will semi-collapse but Kabul wont fall into Taliban's hands. I agreee that by the end of the year we will have more clarity

With China, Pakistan and (most probably) Iran working together, it will ensure that any western conspiracies and Indian delusions wont happen in Afghanistan. These 3 countries together would be able to lock out their influence

Kaeshmiri said:

Unfortunately investing anything in Afghanistan is as good as burning money. That place literally houses all kinds of militant organizations and mercenaries who'll do anything for the right price ( ETIM also operates from there) . Nothing would stop US , India to destroy Chinese projects in the country.
Also negotiating with the Kabul admin is a waste of time. With the way Taliban is capturing districts , by end of 2021 there wont be any Afghanistan Govt left.
Lets wait for the place to get stabilized before throwing even a single dollar at it. I mean CPEC in Pakistan despite being heavily guarded has faced multiple terrorist attacks, could you imagine what'll happen in Afghanistan.

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The whole region after Indus is very hard to control for even devoloped nation forget devoloping nations

voyager1 said:

China already has good relations with Taliban and AFAIK Taliban is actively seeking Chinese investments to their infrastructure. So naturally they will also provide protection.

Now, as you said, the Afghan gov is collapsing so China wont rush to strike a deal. First it will wait to see what will happen politically. IMO Afghan gov will semi-collapse but Kabul wont fall into Taliban's hands. I agreee that by the end of the year we will have more clarity

With China, Pakistan and (most probably) Iran working together, it will ensure that any western conspiracies and Indian delusions wont happen in Afghanistan. These 3 countries together would be able to lock out their influence

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Indians won't be a problem and not even west tbh

Problem is Afghanistan itself, very hard for one entity to control it due to its terrain, lack of institutions, multiple ethnicities

That's where the problem lies internal issues and you can stop external issues through Allies but not the internal ones

And even if Taliban wins they probably can't control every part of the country and we don't know thier long term future

Will they disintegrate after coming to power?

Only solution I see is (and even thier are problems with it) create a force (Pak,China,Iran, even mercenaries) whichll be in Afghanistan and they'll be responsible for protecting the route while the rest of the country is left to it's devices

Kaeshmiri said:

Unfortunately investing anything in Afghanistan is as good as burning money. That place literally houses all kinds of militant organizations and mercenaries who'll do anything for the right price ( ETIM also operates from there) . Nothing would stop US , India to destroy Chinese projects in the country.
Also negotiating with the Kabul admin is a waste of time. With the way Taliban is capturing districts , by end of 2021 there wont be any Afghanistan Govt left.
Lets wait for the place to get stabilized before throwing even a single dollar at it. I mean CPEC in Pakistan despite being heavily guarded has faced multiple terrorist attacks, could you imagine what'll happen in Afghanistan.

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The Chinese knows insurgency and counter-insurgency probably better than any other major power on earth right now. The CPC came to power through insurgency campaigns themselves, and have enjoyed unparalleled success in counter insurgency despite the best efforts of both the US and former USSR.

Now things will be different doing counter insurgency ops in a foreign country, and tbh, I think China won’t even try. Because doing so would just send China down the same slipper slop as what swallowed both the former USSR and US.

Counter insurgency is very much like pandemic response. You either go all in, or you might as well not bother. Since China cannot go all in when it comes to Afghanistan, the best option is to not even start.

So rather than send in the PLA for security and trying to drag Afghanistan kicking and screaming into the modern world, China will focus on protection of its assets and nationals. It will engage with locals and enlist their help in protecting its assets and interests in country, with PAP probably limited to close protection of VIPs, and PLA limited to specops teams that focuses on liquidating assets of forces from hostile foreign powers, with locals acting as visible security and HUMINT early warning to flag suspicious newcomers for Chinese intelligence to track and the PLA kill teams to deal with if deemed hostile.

Pakistani intelligence will act as introduction and also help vet for bad actors and help the Chinese process and filter the raw intelligence. That’s the kind of high value added advisers with local knowledge and actual insight that the America and soviets lacked, which is why their counter insurgency efforts are at best ineffective, and often actively counterproductive.

It won’t be flawless, and there will be losses and mistakes, which the western MSM will seize upon each time and blow way out of proportion. But so long as China stays cool headed and rational, and refrain from American-style heavy handed retribution ops, then the broad trajectory should be positive.

voyager1 said:

China already has good relations with Taliban and AFAIK Taliban is actively seeking Chinese investments to their infrastructure. So naturally they will also provide protection.

Now, as you said, the Afghan gov is collapsing so China wont rush to strike a deal. First it will wait to see what will happen politically. IMO Afghan gov will semi-collapse but Kabul wont fall into Taliban's hands. I agreee that by the end of the year we will have more clarity

With China, Pakistan and (most probably) Iran working together, it will ensure that any western conspiracies and Indian delusions wont happen in Afghanistan. These 3 countries together would be able to lock out their influence

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A strong Taliban can stabilize the nation. But as long as there remains multiple centre of power in Kabul and elsewhere the region will remain unstable.
India right now is trembling as they use Afg as their base to wage war against Pakistan and CPEC. Taliban has already made it clear that they wont allow them to do this anymore. Hence as we speak they're desperately trying to strike some form of deal with the Taliban but to no avail.

Bigboii said:

The whole region after Indus is very hard to control for even devoloped nation forget devoloping nations

Indians won't be a problem and not even west tbh

Problem is Afghanistan itself, very hard for one entity to control it due to its terrain, lack of institutions, multiple ethnicities

That's where the problem lies internal issues and you can stop external issues through Allies but not the internal ones

And even if Taliban wins they probably can't control every part of the country and we don't know thier long term future

Will they disintegrate after coming to power?

Only solution I see is (and even thier are problems with it) create a force (Pak,China,Iran, even mercenaries) whichll be in Afghanistan and they'll be responsible for protecting the route while the rest of the country is left to it's devices

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Yes tribalism and ethnic conflicts were very common there and hence it became very easy for foreign powers to create civil war conditions.
But Taliban has also changed how they operate . Initially it was dominated by Pashtuns but now it has strong Multi-ethnic representation with many Tajik and Uzbek commanders in its ranks. Now the West wont be able to exploit ethnic tensions as they used to before.

Kaeshmiri said:

India right now is trembling as they use Afg as their base to wage war against Pakistan and CPEC. Taliban has already made it clear that they wont allow them to do this anymore. Hence as we speak they're desperately trying to strike some form of

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Indians are in a world of pain when they realise that China is literally encircling it by land and sea. This here is the real 5D play and not the idiotic Trump and Biden moves

Kaeshmiri said:

But Taliban has also changed how they operate . Initially it was dominated by Pashtuns but now it has strong Multi-ethnic representation with many Tajik and Uzbek commanders in its ranks. Now the West wont be able to exploit ethnic tensions as they used to before.

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Yes, Taliban have been surprisingly flexible on how the evolve. IMO their current set up is very strong and you can see that on the Afghanistan districts surrendering one by one and the surrendered soldiers welcomed by the Taliban with hugs and smiles, in some cases they even let them go away with their guns lol

Extremely smart. They have realised their past mistakes and have now adapted to the present environment. I am expecting that to also happen with their political rule. Very impressive job by them

KYli said:

International investors don't have a problem to invest in HKSE. Tencent and Meituan both didn't list in the US.

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I am not an expert on this, but it seems listing in both Hong Kong and New York would maximize the IPO value. Big US investors can trade in both Hong Kong and New York easily, but smaller US investors cannot access HK market.

Kaeshmiri said:

Things are becoming clearer

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1411877573341040640

1. Didi was repeatedly warned by Chinese regulators not to list in US. It still went ahead.
2. Under US regulatory law, data of Didi (Chinese citizens) wouldve be available to US investors (aka CIA)
3. Didi and for that matter companies like Alibaba, Tencent, JD host extremely critical data about Chinese citizens and are told to IPO in HK instead .
4. Another rumour suggests that Didi went ahead as Chinas new draft law over data would've made data collection more stringent and launching an IPO after this would've affected their IPO price.

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All in all Didi wanted to earn money and expand globally while compromising on data of Chinese users. While the company will say that it stores all data in China, that's not the point. Question is about access which US would've gotten one way or the other.

Companies aren't punished for fun there's always a reason behind it. To think that Xi holds a grudge against a frigging Ride hailing app is laughable. (Some users made that assertion here)

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Exactly. Greed got the better of Didi

Tyler said:

Listing the IPO in the US does not mean didi's Chinese user data will be available to the US government. The Chinese government does not even allow the US to audit the finances of US listed Chinese companies. That was the reason why Trump wanted all US listed Chinese companies to comply with this requirement within three years, otherwise they will have to be delisted.

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Auditing of financial statement and data security are two different things. The auditing standards of the two countries are not aligned. But US can demand data for "security" reasons.

han1289 said:

The message is simple:

if you’re a chinese tech company that made all your fortune in china, why are you listing in country that’s having a tech cold war with china?

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Greed. See above.

Tyler said:

Trump wanted to have US accounting firms to do the audit of all US listed Chinese companies. But so far the Chinese government has refused.

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And so....... if you can't audit a foreign country's financial statements. Then don't invest in that company. No one is putting a gun to the investors heads to buy shares they can't "audit".

Tyler said:

By listing in the US, they can take in resources from international investors. They can do another IPO in Hong Kong later.

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Greed. See above

Tyler said:

I am not an expert on this, but it seems listing in both Hong Kong and New York would maximize the IPO value. Big US investors can trade in both Hong Kong and New York easily, but smaller US investors cannot access HK market.

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Greed. See above. Small investors are very very, very small player compares to institutional investors.

Gatekeeper said:

Exactly. Greed got the better of Didi



Auditing of financial statement and data security are two different things. The auditing standards of the two countries are not aligned. But US can demand data for "security" reasons.



Greed. See above.



And so....... if you can't audit a foreign country's financial statements. Then don't invest in that company. No one is putting a gun to the investors heads to buy shares they can't "audit".



Greed. See above




Greed. See above. Small investors are very very, very small player compares to institutional investors.

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Greed is okay, and that is the whole point of starting a business. For brands like Nio, xpeng and Li, they can gain more name recognition for their EV by listing in New York.