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siegecrossbow

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Gatekeeper said:
I don't know where's the adult in the white house is nowadays. Where's the joint-up thinking? Man. This is going to hurt the U.S. a whole lot more. Good luck with going green and infrastructure building and the back to the future or back to whatever policy to rival Belt and road.
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They never agreed on the funding for domestic infrastructure building. What makes you think they’d agree on the funding for BRI competitor?

The whole “out construct China abroad thing” to gain additional influence never made much sense. BRI is some what practical for China because it has an excess of construction capabilities and inexpensive labor. That is not the case for Western countries today. If Biden by some miracle of God actually secured fundings for his BRI clone, I have no doubt that a lot of it might be funneled to Chinese contract companies during the actual implementation stage.
 
windsclouds2030

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antiterror13 said:
How about if China ban exporting solar to the US ;)
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As some member here has said, I much more favored that China somehow engage more Xinjiang and Uyghur workers in processing the rare earth materials, as much as feasible. First it may be good for providing the employments for the Chinese Uyghur people, and second I do want to see them sanctioning the rare earth imports from China!
 
Gatekeeper

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windsclouds2030 said:
Footage from Wednesday morning's incident involving HMS Defender -- a Royal Navy Type 45 air defense destroyer -- and Russian attack aircraft and a patrol boat was published on the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation's Twitter account this afternoon.

The video, filmed presumably from a Russian fighter jet, captured the moment when Defender allegedly crossed into what Russia calls territorial waters near Crimea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1407747407597682692

First, what can be seen is Defender, a British warship with an oddly shaped radar tower, in the distance, with another vessel trailing it. Further, into the video, crosshairs are shown, targeting the destroyer, with several fighter jets buzzing by the vessel.

Following HMS Defender's incident in what Russia calls territorial waters near Crimea, Moscow has ordered the British ambassador to Russia to the Foreign Ministry's office.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova condemned the "rude British provocation that defies international law," and confirmed the ambassador was being summoned.

BBC's defense correspondent, Jonathan Beale, was conveniently on the HMS Defender when more than "20 aircraft in the skies" swarmed the warship after it allegedly crossed into Russian territorial waters near Crimea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1407710652920209411

Both UK and NATO do NOT recognize Russia's claim to Crimea.

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The added spice is that there was a US intelligence gathering aircraft in the area, possibly to gauge the nature of the Russian response to the UK's violation of the Russian territorial waters.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1407677251588608002


Before the incident, the Defender was in the Black Sea to sell warships to Ukraine.

It was a privilege to host Minister for Defence Procurement Jeremy Quin and Deputy Defence Minister of Ukraine for the signing of a significant Memoranda of Implementation witnessed by the First Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Sir Tony Radakin KCB ADC @UKinUkraine #CSG21 #GlobalBritain #StrongerTogether

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1407059345247027204
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Yes. We know all that. All this is just white noise. The bottom line us provocation. The "defender" was sent there to provoke. It did crossed the 12 mile sovereign line. But it's defence is that since they don't recognise Russian sovereignty. They had only cross the Ukraine territorial waters.

It's all BS. It's basically saying to Russians I dare you to take a shot at me! And the Lizzy will be doing the same in a few weeks time in SCS. Really? Someone need to put some sense into "Great" Britain for playing U.S. stooge and playing chicken with the world's one of the three most powerful nation.
 
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Gatekeeper said:
Yes. We know all that. All this is just white noise. The bottom line us provocation. The "defender" was sent there to provoke. It did crossed the 12 mile sovereign line. But it's defence is that since they don't recognise Russian sovereignty. They had only cross the Ukraine territorial waters.

It's all BS. It's basically saying to Russians I dare you to take a shot at me! And the Lizzy will be doing the same in a few weeks time in SCS. Really? Someone need to put some sense into "Great" Britain for playing U.S. stooge and playing chicken with the world's one of the three most powerful nation.
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Anyone knows why the Russians dont use civilian ships to "block" them or even ram them?

Park 3 strengthened civilian ships on front of the British warship and dare it to cross them.

The ships should stay there and wait for the warship movement. If it wants to push through then it would have to ram then

China could do the same. Park a superzised ship on front of the carrier and dare it to cross the water. Unless they want to sink their own newly-built carrier then they would have to turn back
 
plawolf

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voyager1 said:
Anyone knows why the Russians dont use civilian ships to "block" them or even ram them?

Park 3 strengthened civilian ships on front of the British warship and dare it to cross them.

The ships should stay there and wait for the warship movement. If it wants to push through then it would have to ram then

China could do the same. Park a superzised ship on front of the carrier and dare it to cross the water. Unless they want to sink their own newly-built carrier then they would have to turn back
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The point was to evict the British warship from Russian waters. Unless you use a stupid number of said civilian ships, they can easily move around any parked ships with only minor course change(s) while remaining in Russian waters. Besides, it rather defeats the purpose of military flexing on the British to have to use civilian ships to force it to change course.

As for China, well its coast guard have frigate displacement ships specifically strengthen for ramming. If they wanted to, they can easily cause significant damage or even sink a Darling class via ramming if they wanted to.

But it is unlikely that China would go as far in trying to defend their interests in the SCS given China is actually a law abiding world citizen, so it has not explicitly claimed 12nm territorial waters around its built up islands since that is not allowed under UNCLOS; and the British are smart enough to give the Taiwan strait a wide birth, so it is very unlikely that any significant flashpoint will emerge. The British will likely go within 12nm of China’s SCS islands, China will protest and that will be the end of it.
 
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voyager1 said:
Anyone knows why the Russians dont use civilian ships to "block" them or even ram them?

Park 3 strengthened civilian ships on front of the British warship and dare it to cross them.

The ships should stay there and wait for the warship movement. If it wants to push through then it would have to ram then

China could do the same. Park a superzised ship on front of the carrier and dare it to cross the water. Unless they want to sink their own newly-built carrier then they would have to turn back
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Probably because it's too much effort.

Easier to fire a warning shot, then follow up with the real thing.
 
siegecrossbow

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plawolf said:
The point was to evict the British warship from Russian waters. Unless you use a stupid number of said civilian ships, they can easily move around any parked ships with only minor course change(s) while remaining in Russian waters. Besides, it rather defeats the purpose of military flexing on the British to have to use civilian ships to force it to change course.

As for China, well its coast guard have frigate displacement ships specifically strengthen for ramming. If they wanted to, they can easily cause significant damage or even sink a Darling class via ramming if they wanted to.

But it is unlikely that China would go as far in trying to defend their interests in the SCS given China is actually a law abiding world citizen, so it has not explicitly claimed 12nm territorial waters around its built up islands since that is not allowed under UNCLOS; and the British are smart enough to give the Taiwan strait a wide birth, so it is very unlikely that any significant flashpoint will emerge. The British will likely go within 12nm of China’s SCS islands, China will protest and that will be the end of it.
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This is why I think it is necessary for China to retain the Type 022 missile boats. They are small, maneuverable, cheap and easy to maintain and well-suited for territorial patrol/claims defense.
 
windsclouds2030

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Yes. We know all that. All this is just white noise. The bottom line us provocation. The "defender" was sent there to provoke. It did crossed the 12 mile sovereign line. But it's defence is that since they don't recognise Russian sovereignty. They had only cross the Ukraine territorial waters.

It's all BS. It's basically saying to Russians I dare you to take a shot at me! And the Lizzy will be doing the same in a few weeks time in SCS. Really? Someone need to put some sense into "Great" Britain for playing U.S. stooge and playing chicken with the world's one of the three most powerful nation.
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HOW MUCH resources does the British Navy have in order to play a game like this? Be it in the nearer Black Sea moreover in the faraway SCS

How often can they stage shows like this?

Will this game change anything? Does it bring any good thing for Britain?

We all know that this country is aspiring to regain some part of its former self, the largest empire on Earth prior to World War II... but realistically the Brits must look themselves into the mirror, and align their wishes with the actual strength and capability. Like some member posted, some US general commented that Britain is still trying to grasp its past glory after 70 years, and not really coming into realization of its new self.

Somehow I think they are quite pathetic nowadays, under the bizarre reign of the PM BoJo. Just look into their political parties is telling a lot about this country.

Much more amusing than anything threatening all their actions :p :D hahaha OMG this cunning force is so funny! Just like BoJo
 
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