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Chevalier

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I feel like being an atheist society is great but somehow I wish China is not ultramaterialistic. It's like the whole point of life is just to make money. Chinese are so focused on money that some of them will sell China for money.
It’s not money that motivates most Chinese ppl, it’s status ie face 面子, which money helps. Look at typical Chinese weddings where many families were going into bankruptcy until, the gov stepped in and clamped down on excessive bride prices and wedding junkets. Because a lot of Chinese communities outside of China, ie the 華僑 Overseas Chinese communities tended to be from the south of China, where commerce was emphasized, you get the association from outsiders that Chinese ppl are materialistic and money hungry. I disagree, if that were the case, modern PRC would’ve gone the way of the compradors in Singapore and Japan, ese leader act and behave like the heirs of a mighty civilisation.
 

Phead128

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They are going to do exactly what they have always done, gate keeping through certifications and standards, and the review panel will be chaired by the likes of Anthropic and OpenAI.

Certifications have always have secondary purposes in protecting the incumbents and shutting out new competitors. At the very beginning of the COVID pandemic, China's equivalent to N95 masks, the KN95, weren't allowed to be used in the US by healthcare workers because they aren't certified as N95 even though functionally they are the same. That is, until the US got so fucked, and healthcare workers stopped giving a fuck, they had no choice but to recognize KN95 as an N95 equivalent standard. See
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Standards are always set low enough for incumbents to pass, but high enough for foreign competitors not to pass. Sometimes, not even the incumbents can pass, but all the incumbents have to do is pay fines and send a few people under the bus, then they could continue to sell. It is essentially pay-to-play, but foreign companies can't emulate. See automobile emission standards.

In cases where you meet or even exceed standards, the authorities could just make up new standards just for you. See EV, specifically EU's attempt at forced tech-transfer. They could also outright ask for the impossible. See what US does with items made with cotton.

With LLMs, the US could only allow "certified" LLMs to be used commercially. The question is, what would China do in retaliation? Obviously, China could tank the US stocks, but the US administration would not need to worry about that after November.
It was legally allowed to sell KN95 to US public and businesses, just not to hospitals which had to follow US govt OSHA standards. I bought many from eBay at start of COVID?

US govt can impose certification on Federal agencies or Govt contracts, but I don't see how they can regulate LLM among the general public or private commercial entities. It's not like they can tariff or ban Huawei physical imports, you can download this LLM model locally or host on cloud outside US territory via API access. You can post-trained a Chinese model into your own "American" one, go Jai America and claim you made your own LLM. How can govt check this without warrant or invasive supeona?
 

Expert1324

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I actually hate how popular China has become nowadays. I noticed literally every scum and uneducated people regardless of which country are all literally eying China right now and wanting to come here (just reddit alone you can already see how many unqualified people are asking about ways to work in China), and many of them are in fact already here. Don't get me wrong, back then when China was poor and laws were even more laxed, there's already tons of scums and sexpats/ LosersBackHome here exploiting shit with almost no consequences, but the difference now is that way more people are aware about coming, all while protection against these people are still very much non-existent.

One of the big issues is that China (or rather businesses in China) are actually still accommodating these blue collar and unskilled people while treating them as some kind of VIPs. And as much as countries like Japan has tons of issues, but one thing I noticed about them is that they significantly raised the bar for foreigners going there nowadays, you can't just go in with you white/foreign skin and "want to be a teacher", you actually need an advanced degree (masters or PhD) or serval publications in the area of your expertise and in the field that you want to teach in order to be qualified. ALSO, while some Japanese people (or even Koreans) still possessed a level of white/foreign worship, but I noticed that it has significantly decreased over the years, while I DO NOT see much improvement in China (yes China had improved in this area, but not much at all as I said). I do not know what the future hold, but I do not like things going in this direction at all.

While I understand the importance of PR and national progress, but why can't we also have policies weeding out useless people at the same time? especially when there's already so many locals fighting for spots.

P.S. one of my biggest rage triggers is seeing Chinese parents thinking that a random white guy/ foreigner must be better at teaching English than a Chinese person, even if the Chinese individual had actual incredible background in English, which is not uncommon at all given there's literally so many Overseas born Chinese or Chinese people who are top Ivy-league/ OxBridge graduates. So, when will this mindset change? If the mindset of the people are still being poisoned, and Chinese people are still mindlessly cheapening themselves towards anything foreign, then I really see very little value in progress.
 

Engineer

Major
It was legally allowed to sell KN95 to US public and businesses, just not to hospitals which had to follow US govt OSHA standards. I bought many from eBay at start of COVID?
Read again. Never said they couldn't be bought. They just weren't allowed to be used in a healthcare settings until the authorities had no other choice.

US govt can impose certification on Federal agencies or Govt contracts, but I don't see how they can regulate LLM among the general public or private commercial entities. It's not like they can tariff or ban Huawei physical imports, you can download this LLM model locally or host on cloud outside US territory via API access. You can post-trained a Chinese model into your own "American" one, go Jai America and claim you made your own LLM. How can govt check this without warrant or invasive supeona?
I am talking about commercial/public settings, where you are talking about completely private settings. I fail to see how anything you said had anything to do with what I said. Furthermore, if psychopaths want to regulate, they would regulate. Don't agree? Pay lawyers to argue it in court. Let see who would go bankrupt first.
 

GulfLander

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U.S. data-center owners are marketing majority stakes in several operating companies as investors seek control of infrastructure supporting the expansion of artificial intelligence.
Bankers are working this summer to sell stakes in Netrality Data Centers, DataBank, Edged and EdgeCore Digital Infrastructure, according to
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, citing people familiar with the efforts. The interests are collectively valued at tens of billions of dollars and are being presented to private-equity firms.

The reported processes concern equity in entire companies rather than a combined portfolio or individual facilities. A controlling investment can give a buyer access to operating capacity, secured development sites, customer relationships and future expansion across multiple U.S. markets.
Transaction values, prospective buyers, exact ownership percentages and closing schedules have not been disclosed. The reporting also does not establish whether existing owners plan to retain minority positions in each company.[...]
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PandaAI

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I actually hate how popular China has become nowadays. I noticed literally every scum and uneducated people regardless of which country are all literally eying China right now and wanting to come here (just reddit alone you can already see how many unqualified people are asking about ways to work in China), and many of them are in fact already here. Don't get me wrong, back then when China was poor and laws were even more laxed, there's already tons of scums and sexpats/ LosersBackHome here exploiting shit with almost no consequences, but the difference now is that way more people are aware about coming, all while protection against these people are still very much non-existent.

One of the big issues is that China (or rather businesses in China) are actually still accommodating these blue collar and unskilled people while treating them as some kind of VIPs. And as much as countries like Japan has tons of issues, but one thing I noticed about them is that they significantly raised the bar for foreigners going there nowadays, you can't just go in with you white/foreign skin and "want to be a teacher", you actually need an advanced degree (masters or PhD) or serval publications in the area of your expertise and in the field that you want to teach in order to be qualified. ALSO, while some Japanese people (or even Koreans) still possessed a level of white/foreign worship, but I noticed that it has significantly decreased over the years, while I DO NOT see much improvement in China (yes China had improved in this area, but not much at all as I said). I do not know what the future hold, but I do not like things going in this direction at all.

While I understand the importance of PR and national progress, but why can't we also have policies weeding out useless people at the same time? especially when there's already so many locals fighting for spots.

P.S. one of my biggest rage triggers is seeing Chinese parents thinking that a random white guy/ foreigner must be better at teaching English than a Chinese person, even if the Chinese individual had actual incredible background in English, which is not uncommon at all given there's literally so many Overseas born Chinese or Chinese people who are top Ivy-league/ OxBridge graduates. So, when will this mindset change? If the mindset of the people are still being poisoned, and Chinese people are still mindlessly cheapening themselves towards anything foreign, then I really see very little value in progress.

Importing unskilled migrants is an absolute disaster for any country. You only bring in the absolute best and most qualified STEM talent from reputable universities to advance in science and technology.
Importing unskilled migrants is a neoliberal ideology for profit maximisation.
I suspect there are neoliberal voices advising the CPC on these issues.
 
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