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amlosny said:

Iran rushes in like a lunatic, gets its ass kicked, and then turns around and screams at China: 'Why are you grinding and practicing Kung Fu on the sidelines instead of coming over here to get your ass kicked too?'

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Temstar said:

Iran was in fact cowering and playing around with flags while its allies - cultivated over the years by hard work by their own celebrated general - were targetted one after the other by US and Israel. And for what? Eventually US and Israel came after them too.

If Iran showed half the backbone as Houthi China would feel a lot more comfortable investing in them.

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amlosny said:

I never said you get more cooperation from China if you're a US ally. Why do you constantly paint China as a simp for the US? What I mean is that China doesn't care if you are a US ally or not. If cooperation increases, it's because the sanctions are gone. And since Iran is sanctioned for being openly anti-West, the question is: Did China ever ask Iran to do that? China has never asked and will never ask any country to be anti-West, it was Iran’s clerical regime that decided to make Iran the vanguard of the Islamic anti-West revolution. This is something even China hasn't done publicly.

For the past decade, China endured US containment and remained on the defensive. When China struck back hard in 2025, and won respect, China still chose to de-escalate with the US. This is because China understands it is not yet the time for a final showdown—even though it is far stronger than Iran. It’s like fighting a mafia boss. Iran rushes in like a lunatic, gets its ass kicked, and then turns around and screams at China: 'Why are you grinding and practicing Kung Fu on the sidelines instead of coming over here to get your ass kicked too?'

Since you say Iranians don't hate China, we can assume a new government, even a pro-West one, wouldn't be anti-China. The people would finally get the western lifestyle they were still hoping for in 2024 (it’s hard to believe your claim that everything flipped in 2025 when decades prior couldn't change a thing), and China can finally invest safely.

In fact, there are even more benefits: The risk of nuclear proliferation is reduced. The Middle Eastern monarchs no longer need to fear for their thrones. And if the US and Israel personally conduct the regime change, it helps China. Just like the aftermath of October 7th, while it demonstrated their hegemonic power to do whatever they please, the resulting damage to US soft power, and the boost to China’s, was something China could never have dreamed of achieving on its own. Some might call China "weak" for not intervening. But as recent years have shown, far more people will recognize the US's bullying nature and it will improve China's international environment.

It looks like regime change is ultimately a win-win for everyone. The only losers are the Mullahs lol.

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Minm said:

So you do support US and Israeli policy towards Iran. You should realise that this won't make your opinion popular in Iran. And if the Chinese government supports US policy on Iran, then China will also be less popular than it would be otherwise in surveys. The question is just whether that's really smart or not. Do you really want a world of pro western governments that might trade with China and respect China but will always pick the ally that protects their regimes when forced to choose? How is that beneficial to China? If there ever is a war with the US over Taiwan or whatever, don't you want some countries on your side?

In fact China has actually been shifting away from a position more like yours where they respected US sanctions on Iran and North Korea to giving them more support. China has officially stated that UN sanctions on Iran are now expired along with Russia and Iran while the west claims that they've done a snapback.

The more missiles Iran builds the better for China. Use up those US interceptors in Israel. If Iran actually changed to be pro US, you would see a redeployment of American forces from West to East Asia and maybe even bases in eastern Iran which isn't far from Xinjiang. How can you be in favour of that? Imports from China probably would go up, but it's not going to be significant either way. Rejecting anti western countries and embracing pro western ones is just not a good strategy when you are in a long term struggle against the west yourself

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Minm said:

So you do support US and Israeli policy towards Iran. You should realise that this won't make your opinion popular in Iran. And if the Chinese government supports US policy on Iran, then China will also be less popular than it would be otherwise in surveys. The question is just whether that's really smart or not. Do you really want a world of pro western governments that might trade with China and respect China but will always pick the ally that protects their regimes when forced to choose? How is that beneficial to China? If there ever is a war with the US over Taiwan or whatever, don't you want some countries on your side?

In fact China has actually been shifting away from a position more like yours where they respected US sanctions on Iran and North Korea to giving them more support. China has officially stated that UN sanctions on Iran are now expired along with Russia and Iran while the west claims that they've done a snapback.

The more missiles Iran builds the better for China. Use up those US interceptors in Israel. If Iran actually changed to be pro US, you would see a redeployment of American forces from West to East Asia and maybe even bases in eastern Iran which isn't far from Xinjiang. How can you be in favour of that? Imports from China probably would go up, but it's not going to be significant either way. Rejecting anti western countries and embracing pro western ones is just not a good strategy when you are in a long term struggle against the west yourself

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Puss in Boots said:

I think Iran's geopolitical thinking is still stuck in the Cold War era, believing that by shuttling back and forth between the U.S. and Chinese camps, it can reap benefits from both sides simultaneously.
When China faces the international situation, it always adopts "bottom-line thinking" — meaning China always prepares for the worst-case scenario from the outside world. Therefore, China doesn't actually care whether Iran stands on the American side or not.
Iran still believes it can use the possibility of leaning toward the United States to threaten or coerce China into providing more assistance. This is the root cause of Iran's current misjudgment.
Recalling all the major decisions China made during the Cold War era: shortly after the founding of the People's Republic, it engaged in a brutal war against a military coalition of more than a dozen Western countries; in the face of simultaneous blockades from both the Soviet Union and the West, it resolutely persisted in developing nuclear weapons; after acquiring the most basic capacity for self-defense, it pragmatically chose to cooperate with the United States; and when confronted with the threat of Western-backed color revolutions, it decisively suppressed the protests.
Does Iran possess this kind of courage today?

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bebops said:

On this forum, many people said Iran is no good. What this forum thinks and china government does is different. What we actually saw was China hasn't giving up on Iran. It continued to send raw materials and defense systems to Iran. It has already transferred several ship load of raw material to Iran. That is enough to build hundreds of missiles. In additional, they were invited to join SCO and the military parade.

Geographically, sending weapons to Iran is not as easy to North Korean or Pakistan because it doesn't share the border. Container ships take 30 days to get to Iran in case they need something.

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Puss in Boots said:

I think Iran's geopolitical thinking is still stuck in the Cold War era, believing that by shuttling back and forth between the U.S. and Chinese camps, it can reap benefits from both sides simultaneously.
When China faces the international situation, it always adopts "bottom-line thinking" — meaning China always prepares for the worst-case scenario from the outside world. Therefore, China doesn't actually care whether Iran stands on the American side or not.
Iran still believes it can use the possibility of leaning toward the United States to threaten or coerce China into providing more assistance. This is the root cause of Iran's current misjudgment.
Recalling all the major decisions China made during the Cold War era: shortly after the founding of the People's Republic, it engaged in a brutal war against a military coalition of more than a dozen Western countries; in the face of simultaneous blockades from both the Soviet Union and the West, it resolutely persisted in developing nuclear weapons; after acquiring the most basic capacity for self-defense, it pragmatically chose to cooperate with the United States; and when confronted with the threat of Western-backed color revolutions, it decisively suppressed the protests.
Does Iran possess this kind of courage today?

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Randomuser said:

Frankly speaking Iran has been underperforming despite talking a big game. When we see another "student protest" for the XXX time, we just roll our eyes at this point. Its just so tiresome. Its no different from that worker who once again says he can't deliver once again and asks for another chance.

You can keep coming up with excuses like Indians, but at some point people will get tired of it. The world is in a much tougher spot. People have less patience and tolerance.

This is geopolitics. Not a charity. Results are what matter. Shape up or get out.

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