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Temstar

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So what can the West do? Start Opium War 3? BTW, China's trade balance is not nearly as skewed as the article implies if China's import of services is properly counted.
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So TLDR: China as the industrial Cthulhu is too powerful and coming for your industries? Sounds like a skill issue to me.

The pattern was already clear pre-COVID. I remember sometime after China wiped out other producers of tunnel boring machines and made that one crucible of ball point pen steel people domestically picked up the pattern and coined a name for this: 发达国家粉碎机 / Crusher of Advanced Economies. Basically if you were producing something with high mark up and selling to China there are two things you definitely don't want to happen:

1. Some Chinese industrialist looking at your product catalogue, suck air through their teeth and go "that's a bit expensive, isn't it?"
2. Some Chinese liberal start writing articles about how your products are crown jewel of Industrialisation and China is not capable of producing it and it ends up getting a lot of views

Because then it means the gaze of Crusher of Advanced Economies will be upon you and you may not be in business for much longer as China "cabbagrise" your sector. Particularly with point 2, often times it's not China's intention to crush an existing niche market, but libs want to use it to beat over Chinese people and there's always people who are going to step forward and prove them wrong.
 
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My answer is that Vietnam's relatively small population imposes an upper limit on its development. Similar to South Korea and Japan, even after absorbing advanced Western technologies and capturing allied markets, their domestic markets remain too small. Once urban modernization reaches a certain level, the nation's overall development momentum significantly weakens. At this stage, these countries have yet to achieve developed levels in numerous specialized industries.

Another point is that although Vietnam has had hostile relations with China in modern history, its current policy toward China is generally very pragmatic. Compared to China's other restless neighbors, Vietnam—this "little brother" sandwiched between the Chinese and American camps—appears far more friendly. Moreover, Vietnam possesses neither nuclear weapons nor a formidable military, and its economy is highly dependent on China. China can therefore feel completely at ease regarding Vietnam.
The thing is we are in an age of automation where incremental benefit of more people has been lowered. Indians love to whine about how the Brits stole trillions from India. But one of the things the Brits did to decimate India was introducing partially machine automated factories in textiles which destroyed the need to have so many people manually sewing.


As for military, I'm not too concerned either. China does see economics primarily after all. But isn't that another thing to be a bit concerned about? Vietnam keeps it's head down and plays it smart. It doesn't tell the world it's some supapowa and therefore has to waste billions developing the Tejas to look tough.
 

jiajia99

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India's threat to China is not immediate, but will materialize in 20 to 30 years. If India maintains its rapid growth rate of 7%, it will become a neighbor that poses significant challenges for China three decades from now.
Maybe if they adopt China’s method of governance but seriously that growth rate is only on paper, reality wise, the nation is only a few major disasters away from collapsing in on itself and let’s not forget the pollution the nation has that far exceeds Chinas pollution at its worst. It might only take 10 or so years for the pollution to wipe out such a large percentage of said population that quite frankly you can forget it about the nation ever being a threat. Sure being careful now is important but with Indias way of doing things, one might think they are trying to commit national suicide in a massive hurry. That is why we see so many Indian escaping the nation if they have the money, because they can tell that the writing is on the wall, India is destined for ruin. I would argue that only the US, UK and possibly Israel share this kind of fate given how everything is literally breaking down and all their leaders are too stupid and apathetic to care
 

AssassinsMace

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The US regime knows that they are no match for China one-on-one. So they fantasize they can form an anti-China alliance.


That’s one way to spin it and yet they’re so worried over China’s influence over the world that they see as worthless. Again why are the importance of supply chains spoken of like never before? Because it’s only up until now that there’s at least a threat that they will be cut-off from them. They don’t have them at home and need them. China’s influence could deny them to them and to the least force them to have pay more for them.

China is not making huge amounts of money from its refined rare earths yet they panic at even China teasing banning them from the West. The misnomer that the West is rich is only because they stole or took advantage of what they have from exploiting developing countries. They don’t have that now. They refine rare earths themselves and the price for producing them skyrockets. It’s not good for the West when things cost them more.
 

Ringsword

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It looks like an alliance on the surface. Beneath it, it looks like a one-way relationship.

On social media, one side is always screaming "Phull Support Saar!", or "Israeli women love Brahmin genetics!". While the other side is screaming "F**k off!" or "Eww... Don't touch me!".

The India x Israel relationship is unusual, but it works. India gets to import Israeli arms and fawn over Israeli women. While Israel gets to claim that it still has friends.
It ia basically a one-sided totally unrequited love by the indians=Israel just wants to do some business and have a restraining order.
 

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At least 94 dead as Hong Kong firefighters battle burning towers for a second day​

HONG KONG (AP) — Firefighters battled for a second day to extinguish a blaze at a high-rise apartment complex in Hong Kong on Thursday, as the death toll rose to 94 in one of the deadliest blazes in the city’s modern history.

Rescuers holding flashlights were going from apartment to apartment at the charred towers as thick smoke poured out from some windows at the Wang Fuk Court complex, a dense cluster of buildings housing thousands of people in Tai Po district, a northern suburb near Hong Kong’s border with the mainland.

Officials said firefighters were still working on a handful of apartments and trying to enter all of the units in the seven towers to ensure there were no further casualties.

“Our firefighting operation is almost complete,” said Derek Armstrong Chan, deputy director of Fire Services Operations. Firefighters were working hard “to prevent the debris and embers from flaring up. What’s next is the search and rescue operation,” he added.

It was unclear how many people remained missing or trapped. Hong Kong leader John Lee said contact had been lost with 279 people early Thursday. Authorities did not provide updates on the missing people or how many were still inside the ravaged buildings Thursday during a press conference.

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Video showed rescuers searching in some apartments in the dark. Orange flames were still seen from inside several windows, though the whole complex was now largely a blackened ruin.

Firefighters have been trying to control the flames since midafternoon Wednesday, when the fire was believed to have started in bamboo scaffolding and construction netting and then spread across seven of the complex’s eight buildings.

Chan said the blaze spread “exceptionally fast” across the towers, and emergency workers struggled to gain access inside.

“Debris and scaffolding were falling from upper floors,” he told reporters. “There are also other reasons like high temperature, darkness ... (and) emergency vehicle access was blocked by fallen scaffolding and debris, making our access to the building very difficult.”

More than 70 people were injured, including 11 firefighters, as well as the 94 killed, the Fire Services Department said. About 900 people were evacuated to temporary shelters overnight.

Pope Leo XIV sent a telegram to Hong Kong’s bishop Thursday, saying he was saddened by the fire and offering prayers for the injured, their families and emergency workers.

Resident Lawrence Lee was waiting for news about his wife, who he believed was still trapped in their apartment.

“When the fire started, I told her on the phone to escape. But once she left the flat, the corridor and stairs were all filled with smoke and it was all dark, so she had no choice but to go back to the flat,” he said, as he waited in one of the shelters overnight.

Winter and Sandy Chung, who lived in one of the towers, said they saw sparks fly around as they evacuated Wednesday afternoon. Although they were safe, they were worried about their home. “I couldn’t sleep the entire night,” Winter Chung, 75, told The Associated Press on Thursday.

Three arrested on suspicion of manslaughter

Three men, the directors and an engineering consultant of a construction company, were arrested on suspicion of manslaughter. Police have not directly named the company where they work.

“We have reason to believe that those in charge of the construction company were grossly negligent,” said Eileen Chung, a senior superintendent of police.

Police on Thursday also searched the office of Prestige Construction & Engineering Company, which the AP confirmed was in charge of renovations in the tower complex. Police seized boxes of documents as evidence, according to local media. Phones for Prestige rang unanswered.

Authorities suspected some materials on the exterior walls of the high-rise buildings did not meet fire resistance standards, allowing the unusually fast spread of the fire.

Police also said they found plastic foam panels -- which are highly flammable -- attached to the windows on each floor near the elevator lobby of the one unaffected tower. It was believed to have been installed by the construction company but the purpose was not clear. Secretary for Security Chris Tang said they would investigate the materials further.

Buildings were covered in scaffolding

The housing complex consisted of eight buildings with almost 2,000 apartments for about 4,800 residents, including many older people. It was built in the 1980s and had been undergoing a major renovation. Hong Kong’s anti-corruption agency said on Thursday it was launching a probe into possible corruption relating to the renovation project.

Officials said the fire started on the external scaffolding of a 32-story tower, then spread on the bamboo scaffolding and construction netting to the inside of the building and then to the other buildings, likely aided by windy conditions.

Bamboo scaffolding is a common sight in Hong Kong at building construction and renovation projects, though Lee said officials will meet with industry representatives to discuss a switch to metal scaffolding amid safety concerns.

“While we know that bamboo scaffolding has a long history in Hong Kong, its flame retardancy is inferior to that of metal scaffolding. For safety reasons, the government believes that a complete switch to metal scaffolding should be implemented in suitable working environments,” said Eric Chan, the Chief Secretary for Administration.

Authorities will also be carrying out immediate inspections of all housing estates that are undergoing major renovation work to ensure scaffolding and construction materials meet safety standards.

The fire was the deadliest in Hong Kong in decades. In November 1996, 41 people died in a commercial building in Kowloon in a fire that lasted for around 20 hours.

The 279 missing figure has not been updated since the statement yesterday. Could be a few hundred dead in the worst case scenario.

Plastic Foam panels attached to windows.
Police also said they found plastic foam panels -- which are highly flammable -- attached to the windows on each floor near the elevator lobby of the one unaffected tower
 
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