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FriedButter

FriedButter

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huemens said:
Official US statement regarding the trade deal is out. It differs from the China version.

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Differ is an understandment. The White House is outright lying.

The US is implying that China has PERMANENTLY REMOVED all rare earth exports BEYOND OCTOBER 9, port fees on US linked ships, and completely removed all retaliatory tariffs on the US.

Just like the Modi phone call that never existed. The Americans are resorting to OUTRIGHT LIES.

Claims China will completely remove rare earth export controls even beyond October 9th. Which is not true. Zero mentions that Oct 9th provisions are contingent on an 1 year truce.
  • China will suspend the global implementation of the expansive new export controls on rare earths and related measures that it announced on October 9, 2025.
  • China will issue general licenses valid for exports of rare earths, gallium, germanium, antimony, and graphite for the benefit of U.S. end users and their suppliers around the world. The general license means the de facto removal of controls China imposed in April 2025 and October 2022.
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Claims that China will completely remove all retaliatory tariffs. No such thing has happened.
China will suspend all of the retaliatory tariffs that it has announced since March 4, 2025. This includes tariffs on a vast swath of U.S. agricultural products: chicken, wheat, corn, cotton, sorghum, soybeans, pork, beef, aquatic products, fruits, vegetables, and dairy products
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Claims that China will remove and suspend all sanctions and blacklist against US companies including US MILITARY companies. Another lie
  • China will suspend or remove all of the retaliatory non-tariff countermeasures taken against the United States since March 4, 2025, including China’s listing of certain American companies on its end user and unreliable entity lists.
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China will permanently remove port fees for US linked ships. Once again, No mentions of the it being contingent on the 1 year truce.
  • China will remove measures it took in retaliation for the U.S.’s announcement of a Section 301 investigation on China’s Targeting the Maritime, Logistics, and Shipbuilding Sectors for Dominance, and remove sanctions imposed on various shipping entities.
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FriedButter

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Notice that on the American Section.

They deliberately included that theirs is based on an 1 year truce.

…until November 10, 2026.
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They have deliberately left this out from the Chinese section. To imply all Chinese measures such as, port fees, rare earth controls have been permanently removed while the US are not. Including lying about China removing all retaliatory tariffs on US goods.
 
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iewgnem

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FriedButter said:
Differ is an understandment. The White House is outright lying.

The US is implying that China has PERMANENTLY REMOVED all rare earth exports BEYOND OCTOBER 9, port fees on US linked ships, and completely removed all retaliatory tariffs on the US.

Just like the Modi phone call that never existed. The Americans are resorting to OUTRIGHT LIES.

Claims China will completely remove rare earth export controls even beyond October 9th. Which is not true. Zero mentions that Oct 9th provisions are contingent on an 1 year truce.


Claims that China will completely remove all retaliatory tariffs. No such thing has happened.


Claims that China will remove and suspend all sanctions and blacklist against US companies including US MILITARY companies. Another lie


China will permanently remove port fees for US linked ships. Once again, No mentions of the it being contingent on the 1 year truce.
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They also pretended back in May or June that China removed all tariffs while US only reduced it, while Chinese tariff on US ag export were fully in place, took exactly the expected amount of time, specifically the time it takes soy to grow, for them to start crying and fold lol

Infact you might even be able to argue US farmers wouldn't have planted as much soy for China to use against them if US didn't lie to their own people about China removing tariffs.
 
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iewgnem

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FriedButter said:
Notice that on the American Section.

They deliberately included that theirs is based on an 1 year truce.



They have deliberately left this out from the Chinese section. To imply all Chinese measures such as, port fees, rare earth controls have been permanently removed while the US are not. Including lying about China removing all retaliatory tariffs on US goods.
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If you read carefully they were careful to not directly lie about anything, only omit and insinuate, they didn't actually use the word "permanent" anywhere, they just didn't say temporary, and they used the phrase "suspend or remove" which doesn't actually say how much is suspend and for how long and how much is removed, nor does it say what constitute non-tariff countermeasures.

Americans might have no idea how to do anything, but they're certified experts in the art of cope.

The fact that this is their face-saving spin on the agreement makes its content even more interesting.

It's expected they'll pretend China granting licenses as a win (the "defacto" interpretation just looks desperate lol), but the statement about Oct 9 measure is very telling, because just like China's statement referring to suspension of only "relevant" measures, US also only refered to RE and "related" measures

China put out a lot of measures on Oct 9, RE itself is only a small part, the main hitter was actually processing tech which isn't RE, and there was also industrial diamond, battery materials and high performance batteries. This WH statement actually corroborated the assumption that China will keep most of Oct 9 measures in place lol

Applying Halon's Razor its probably a case of the WH with no subject expertise really doesn't know what China actually did on Oct 9, and China taking advantage. They will eventually figure out when people start complaining, just like soy farmers eventually did, but by then it'll be too late.

Speaking of which, between China's ban on process tech export and WH pretending there's no more problem, I guess the whole we'll make our own RE is as dead as we'll use tariff to re-industrialize.
 
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iewgnem said:
They also pretended back in May or June that China removed all tariffs while US only reduced it, while Chinese tariff on US ag export were fully in place, took exactly the expected amount of time, specifically the time it takes soy to grow, for them to start crying and fold lol

Infact you might even be able to argue US farmers wouldn't have planted as much soy for China to use against them if US didn't lie to their own people about China removing tariffs.
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It's all by design so when China implements the deal as agreed on paper they'll say "Look, China isn't following the agreement!", then it's back to square one.
 
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Africablack said:
It's all by design so when China implements the deal as agreed on paper they'll say "Look, China isn't following the agreement!", then it's back to square one.
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It's not China that need the agreement, they're welcome go back to square one any time lol
Considering the level of competency WH has demonstrated over the last 6 month this is almost certainly really just WH having no idea what they were dealing with.
 
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jiajia99

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That assumes Wingtech was actually planning to shut down the fabs in Europe.

The thing is, the fabs in Europe already exist, have been fully depreciated. And i general, the ongoing operating costs should be very low compared to the ongoing capital cost for a new fab.

So why not keep them operating?

But I can see the R&D being shut down in Europe. This is definitely better done in China, because that is where the new fabs (and associated new chip designs) are required.

Plus there's a better supply of chip designers and lower costs in China.



The Xinjiang narrative doesn't work when 80%? of the global population thinks the US is supporting Israel's "genocide" in Gaza
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Especially when anyone can go to confirm it for yourself, not to mention that it has been used so many time without any evidence that the whole Xinjiang narrative has died for good. Meanwhile it’s pretty public that any attempt at a cease fire has been veto by the USA, and all the weapons are provided by the USA and actually soldiers are sent to Israel by the USA to help with the genocide, you get a situation where no matter what the USA does, the Gaza genocide is literally glued to the USA so that it’s near impossible for the USA to separate from that label. Really, Americas soft power pretty much died due to Trump constant shaft sucking of Israel (especially when he had the chance not to continue this tradition under Biden etc), literally no one takes him or the USA seriously.
 
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jiajia99 said:
Especially when anyone can go to confirm it for yourself, not to mention that it has been used so many time without any evidence that the whole Xinjiang narrative has died for good. Meanwhile it’s pretty public that any attempt at a cease fire has been veto by the USA, and all the weapons are provided by the USA and actually soldiers are sent to Israel by the USA to help with the genocide, you get a situation where no matter what the USA does, the Gaza genocide is literally glued to the USA so that it’s near impossible for the USA to separate from that label. Really, Americas soft power pretty much died due to Trump constant shaft sucking of Israel, literally no one takes him seriously.
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Of all the things to blame solely Trump, it isn't Gaza. This wasn't any better under Biden - he just hid things better. There's a reason Genocide Joe was a nickname. The fault is across the entire political elites in the United States. The entire political class is entirely compromised by Israel. Just see how influential AIPAC is - actually astounding how there can be an entire lobbying group named after another country.

To be honest, the latest events isn't anything new. The Israel settler project has been a thing for nearly a century, and America has been compromised ever since JFK got assassinated.
 
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