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plawolf

Lieutenant General
Anyone who thinks China will actively fight for Iran is, I’m sorry to say, totally out of touch with reality.

For one the Iranians are nowhere remotely close to being high enough of a priority for China to actually go to war on their behalf.

For another, the fight is just too far from China that even if it wanted to fight for the Iranians, distance and logistics challenges would be prohibitive, to say nothing of the military difficulties of fighting Israel and America.

With the way Iran have behaved in the past and how they are conducting themselves in the war so far, they would be lucky if China would be prepared to even sell them weapons at market rates.
 

FriedButter

Brigadier
Registered Member
With the way Iran have behaved in the past and how they are conducting themselves in the war so far, they would be lucky if China would be prepared to even sell them weapons at market rates.

Probably more likely to be put on debt. Because let’s be real here. If Iran turns pro-west, then you are going to have the highway of US sponsored terrorists from the Middle East moving towards China, Russia, and Central Asia. The next obvious move will be destabilizing Central Asia into Middle East 2.0 and use terrorism to provoke Russia or China into a military intervention.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Probably more likely to be put on debt. Because let’s be real here. If Iran turns pro-west, then you are going to have the highway of US sponsored terrorists from the Middle East moving towards China, Russia, and Central Asia. The next obvious move will be destabilizing Central Asia into Middle East 2.0 and use terrorism to provoke Russia or China into a military intervention.

That’s the same ‘logic’ as the infamous Cold War domino theory. Iran doesn’t share any land boarders with Russia or China. So they can afford to let Iran fall and not have terrorist training camps anywhere near their boarder. For China there is a minimum of two countries the west would need to get through to reach their boarders, so China has plenty of strategic depth to play with.

If the west continues to push further west and north after Iran, that’s when China and Russia will draw their lines, where geography, logistics, politics and time all works to their favour while the west is overstretched.

I would expect, in such a scenario, that China will start with covert assistance for Afghanistan, and overt military support of Pakistan if that fails and Afghanistan falls.

Pakistan will be China’s red line, where it would actually be prepared to fight directly if required. See how far that is from Iran?

But that’s also ignoring everyone else in the region. If the U.S. is hell bent on regime changing its way through Central Asia to get at China, you will see the SCO actually grow teeth and form a formidable opposing force to defeat the western approved headchoppers long before they even get to Pakistan.
 

FriedButter

Brigadier
Registered Member
That’s the same ‘logic’ as the infamous Cold War domino theory. Iran doesn’t share any land boarders with Russia or China. So they can afford to let Iran fall and not have terrorist training camps anywhere near their boarder. For China there is a minimum of two countries the west would need to get through to reach their boarders, so China has plenty of strategic depth to play with.

Are we going to wait for another Ukraine scenario to happen before they should react? Much more resources will need to be diverted to counter Middle East 2.0 instead of propping up Iran with minimal resources.

If the west continues to push further west and north after Iran, that’s when China and Russia will draw their lines, where geography, logistics, politics and time all works to their favour while the west is overstretched.

I would expect, in such a scenario, that China will start with covert assistance for Afghanistan, and overt military support of Pakistan if that fails and Afghanistan falls.

Pakistan will be China’s red line, where it would actually be prepared to fight directly if required. See how far that is from Iran?

And how is this any better than sending some material aid (not direct military) to Iran and keeping them alive? Instead of letting Iran spend their money to keep foreign sponsored terrorists at bay. You propose that it should be China and Russia who spends billions to keep those terrorists contained.
 

Ringsword

Junior Member
Registered Member
What are the odds they all get headshot in the back of the heads by ‘enemy snipers’ as soon as they get within 100 miles of an active war zone?
"fragging right!!"besides these Lt.Col's will be 300 miles behind ANY enemies lies in their luxurious,AC'd,trailers complete wih all amenities-including "nubile women soldiers"-to serve their 5 star needs.If I weren't reading this I wouldn't believe it-late Rome indeed with the spoiled/useless sons of the nobility commanding hardened legions....to great defeats like Carrhae,Teutoborg Forest etc
 

4Tran

Junior Member
Registered Member
Late stage Rome/Qing vibes when you could just buy your rank.

Imagine being a soldier and your life is in these guys hands
I think that Victorian Britain is a better comparison.

Probably more likely to be put on debt. Because let’s be real here. If Iran turns pro-west, then you are going to have the highway of US sponsored terrorists from the Middle East moving towards China, Russia, and Central Asia. The next obvious move will be destabilizing Central Asia into Middle East 2.0 and use terrorism to provoke Russia or China into a military intervention.
You can't create regimes sympathetic to you by bombing them. It's possible that the US can setup a puppet government but their track record for doing that is abysmal. The worst mistake that the US can do is to perform a ground invasion of Iran so I don't see much reason for anyone else to intervene.
 

CMP

Senior Member
Registered Member
That’s the same ‘logic’ as the infamous Cold War domino theory. Iran doesn’t share any land boarders with Russia or China. So they can afford to let Iran fall and not have terrorist training camps anywhere near their boarder. For China there is a minimum of two countries the west would need to get through to reach their boarders, so China has plenty of strategic depth to play with.

If the west continues to push further west and north after Iran, that’s when China and Russia will draw their lines, where geography, logistics, politics and time all works to their favour while the west is overstretched.

I would expect, in such a scenario, that China will start with covert assistance for Afghanistan, and overt military support of Pakistan if that fails and Afghanistan falls.

Pakistan will be China’s red line, where it would actually be prepared to fight directly if required. See how far that is from Iran?

But that’s also ignoring everyone else in the region. If the U.S. is hell bent on regime changing its way through Central Asia to get at China, you will see the SCO actually grow teeth and form a formidable opposing force to defeat the western approved headchoppers long before they even get to Pakistan.
Not to mention even newly West-installed/supported regimes can be incentivized to collaborate with China. The new Syrian regime, Iraq, and Afghanistan were all examples of this. In cases where the regime does not collaborate, China can then support alternative power centers in those countries, which are plentiful to be found. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria all proved that thesis and I would bet money on Iran landing the same way.
Are we going to wait for another Ukraine scenario to happen before they should react? Much more resources will need to be diverted to counter Middle East 2.0 instead of propping up Iran with minimal resources.



And how is this any better than sending some material aid (not direct military) to Iran and keeping them alive? Instead of letting Iran spend their money to keep foreign sponsored terrorists at bay. You propose that it should be China and Russia who spends billions to keep those terrorists contained.
You're assuming China isn't already or wouldn't (upon "unofficial" official request) send any dual use products to Iran. And then you're conflating Ukraine with (potentially) Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, or Kyrgyzstan. Russia's frontier with Ukraine is plains and forests to my understanding. China's western frontier is separated from its neighbors almost entirely by mountains, completely unsuitable for heavy armor, trench warfare, or offensive artillery warfare.

The very limited national crossing points are bottlenecks that can easily be turned by China into defensive artillery/drone kill zones, given superior military technology (especially drone, anti-drone, artillery, and light armor), superior volume of firepower (through sheer industrial capacity), significantly higher altitude on the Chinese side, and superior manpower. PLAGF can very much find a new lease on life if mobilized for defense of the frontier.
 
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