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Word is people thought the gun shots were part of the music (which is understandable for dance/dubstep) so there was no panic rush for the doors.

no_name said:

Suppose it was really packed and one shot may go through multiple people, coupled with stampede?

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Of course that's entirely possible however for every round that does that there are 25 or more which misses entirely so my observation still stands.

I seriously doubt this was like a one shot one kill scenario. The question I like to know is were most of the people killed or injured during the firefight post breached or were most of the vics already KIA by then.

I think the lax American law on firearm control is going to be an Achilles Heel for ISIS to exploit. The Orlando shooter just proved that a single person with legally bought firearms can do terrifying damage under the right conditions.

kwaigonegin said:

Of course that's entirely possible however for every round that does that there are 25 or more which misses entirely so my observation still stands.

I seriously doubt this was like a one shot one kill scenario. The question I like to know is were most of the people killed or injured during the firefight post breached or were most of the vics already KIA by then.

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Have you ever been inside a club? People are packed like sardines, it's hard to imagine firing a shot and NOT hitting someone.

Orlando is my hometown in the U.S., it's where my family settled when we first moved to the states. I still have many friends there, and I even interviewed a couple years ago at ORMC, which is the level 1 trauma center located just a few blocks from where the shooting took place. If I had chosen to work there, I probably would've lived in the hospital the past couple of days. I wish I did choose there, then I could be at the epicenter helping to contribute to my hometown with everything I've got.

Can't edit my post, but here's a snapchat video of when the shooting began:



1) The place is frgging packed.

2) It sounds very decidedly like a semi-auto weapon.

We all share America's pain, grief and horror at this attack, but it is an old, familiar pain felt far too many times already.

Average battlefield kill ratios do not apply when a terrorist nut job is shooting drunk party goers who are packed together like sardines.

It's simply makes no sense to suggest even a total firearms novice would need 10-20 shots to kill one person under such conditions.

Shooting fish in a barrel would have literally been harder.

It could not surprise me at all if single bullets killed multiple victims.

I am a firearms lover, and could own a sizeable personal armoury if UK law permitted it. But as much as I chaff at those restrictions, I know it's simply no contest when comparing my desire and enjoyment from owning and shooting firearms to someone's life.

The awful, undeniable truth is that guns kill people. They allow the weak to kill the strong and the few to kill the many.

There will always been crazy and/or evil people who wish to harm others, no society can ever totally guard against that, but the availability of guns fundamentally changes the harm such people can wreck before they are stopped.

It is simply astonishing that in the very same week as the tragedy at Sandy Cook, a disturbed nut case walked into a primary school in China looking to do the same thing or worse, but no children were killed because he could only get ahold of knives and cleavers.

Such a perfect illustration of the impact of easy gun access is almost enough to make an atheist believe in a touch of the divine in its timing, and yet the entire mainstream US media gave it at best a passing mention and moved on with indecent haste with near religious dutifulness.

This is a tired old argument that has been repeate so so many times, and heartbreakingly, is destined to be repeated again and again with more innocent lives brutally cut short each time so long as America continue to refuse to deal with its gun problem.

So the question is, just how much is too much? How many more innocent people have to die before Americans decide that the price, in spilled innocent blood, for their gun culture is too high?

that's a great point. if i see a nutcase with a machete or knife attacking a primary school i would definetly do something to stop him but if the manic was armed with AR-15, there is nothing i can do!

it's been top story in Europe since the morning, I looked at its coverage now:

The man who killed a police officer and his partner in Magnanville, France, on Monday night threatened the Euro 2016 football championship in a Facebook video posted from the scene of the attack, a police source told CNN.
Larossi Abballa, who had pledged allegiance to ISIS, said that the tournament currently underway in France "will be like a cemetery," the source said.
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... etc., it's

I predict that until the US finally enacts sensible gun control, these kinds of attacks will continue. It is simply unrealistic to expect authorities to be able to pre-emptively identify lone wolf attackers like the Orlando or San Bernandino shooters. These people have no prior criminal records, and they get their weapons through legal channels. Aside from their religious allegiance and fervor, they are no different from the millions of "law abiding gun owners" that the NRA likes to tout.