Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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One would think that in handling this kind of situation that Malaysia would be sharing the information leading to a conclusion with everyone involved when they declare that conclusion. Otherwise it might as well be you or I declaring a conclusion.

The information was obviously shared among those in the investigation team. I'm not sure under the International Law any country outside of the investigation team could actually demand to have a share of the information.
 

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I don't blame their reactions one bit.

Without any piece of hard evidence, any conclusion about the plane's trajectory is just an educated guess. Considering the number of reversals we've seen, it was pretty foolish to make such a definitive-sounding statement.

It could have been handled much better. Instead of drawing a conclusion, the Malaysian government could have simply relayed what they knew. As more evidence mounts, the families would have been able to draw their own conclusions and make their peace.

I don't know what sort of "reversals" you're talking. Details, especially technical ones, gets corrected or updated all the time in an investigation of this nature. Bear in mind, when it comes to reporting technical information, the average media doesn't actually understand what they are reporting in the first place and tend to make quite a bit of inaccuracies and downright mistakes in their reporting. Example being: You still hear reports of ACARS being switched off, when the ACARS was reportedly disabled , either by a malfunction, in which case no criminal action was involved, or by someone with criminal intention doing something to the circuit breaker for example as there is actually no switch for him to switch off the ACARS.


It could have been handled much better. Instead of drawing a conclusion, the Malaysian government could have simply relayed what they knew. As more evidence mounts, the families would have been able to draw their own conclusions and make their peace.

I thought that is exactly what Malaysian PM did. He never said all the passengers and crews couldn't have survived. I guess the average person is smart enough to know what it means, however indirect the message may be.
 

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The tragic disappearance of a Malaysian airliner on Saturday has brought together opposition navies in a rare show of maritime cooperation in the waters of Southeast Asia. With several disputed islands and territorial waters, the seas in the region are historically a source of diplomatic tension rather than peaceful teamwork.. with the
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Several false sightings of wreckage and oil slicks, the plane has still not been found.

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This news report has a different spin.

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Why Do China's Missing Jet Families Believe They're Being Deceived?
BY ED FLANAGAN AND ALASTAIR JAMIESON

The unprecedented two-and-a-half-week mystery surrounding the fate of Flight MH370 has worsened the anguish among relatives of the 227 passengers on board. But the extraordinary anger and distrust among Chinese families may seem puzzling to observers in the West.

At the daily news briefings in Beijing, Malaysian authorities have been accused repeatedly of withholding information about the investigation — even of organizing an international cover-up to mask secret hostage negotiations.

When Malaysia’s prime minister publicly announced what many have privately guessed from the start — that the Boeing 777 had crashed into the sea with no survivors — families demanded evidence and marched angrily on the Malaysian embassy, pelting the building with water bottles.

“Where is the proof?” one relative asked NBC News. “We demand that they continue the search and we demand the truth.”

Image: Chinese relatives of passengers onboard the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, flight MH370, shout in protest NG HAN GUAN / AP
Chinese relatives of passengers aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, flight MH370, shout in protest as they march toward the Malaysian Embassy in Beijing on Tuesday.
Some of that distrust is the inevitable consequence of life in a country where a lot of information given by government officials and media sources cannot be trusted.

“Chinese media is highly controlled and much of the information that is given out is done so by the government for government purposes,” said Rod Wye, associate fellow with the Asia Program at London-based think tank, Chatham House. “People are increasingly aware of that and tend to regard official pronouncements with a great deal of skepticism.”

In particular, China's handling of big events such as the SARS outbreak and the 2011 Wenzhou high-speed train crash have put a huge dent in the credibility of the ruling Communist Party and have most certainly colored people’s impressions of how governments act.

That was witnessed first hand by Sarah Bajc, the American girlfriend of Philip Wood, one of the missing MH370 passengers, who on Friday explained how deep-seated mistrust of official pronouncements had added to the distress of the Chinese relatives.

Speaking to TODAY from Beijing, she expressed sympathy for other relatives, “especially the ones here in China who basically hear nothing because the news is all so filtered for them … and they’re crammed together in this hotel.”

“My heart totally goes out to a lot of these families. I get ample access to good information and I am in high stress."


Passenger’s girlfriend reacts to Flight 370 developmentTODAY



That view was echoed by Wye, who said the emotional response had been exacerbated because the Chinese families have been trapped together “in a hothouse.”

The rise of social media has further exposed China’s disconnect between truth and officialdom. Communist Party propaganda has not kept up with the increasing media savvy of Chinese society.

Despite serious restrictions placed on online freedoms since Xi Jinping came to power, the thriving social media sphere and citizen journalism has increased awareness of governmental incompetence or cover-ups.

Distrust in official information also allows myth and misinformation to gain credence not always afforded in the West. Many rumors that pop up on Chinese social media can often take on a life of their own, no matter how preposterous. Against this background, the remarkable and extraordinary twists in the investigation into what happened to MH370 have convinced many Chinese families that none of what they are told is true.

That the Chinese passengers on the plane had enough personal wealth to travel abroad suggests they were from China’s burgeoning middle class and thus are even more aware of the importance of having their voice heard and kept in the media spotlight, for at least as long as the government may tolerate it.

"People .. tend to regard official pronouncements with a great deal of skepticism.”

In recent years, China has attempted to respond to self-inflicted wounds against its credibility by reporting promptly on incidents, albeit with its own spin on events. In particular, coverage of attacks in Xinjiang over the years and the recent large-scale anti-corruption campaign launched by the Xi administration was aimed at pre-empting public anger.

More than ever, the Malaysian investigators are under pressure to find the tangible evidence of a crash so that families of those on board MH370 may begin to properly grieve.
 

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Malaysian Acting Transport Minister defending the way the investigation was handled.

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Malaysia Defends MH370 Inquiry: 'History Will Judge Us Well'

Malaysia’s acting transport minister brushed off international criticism of his country's investigation into missing Flight MH370 on Wednesday.

“We have done an admirable job,” Hishamuddin Hussein told reporters in Kuala Lumpur.

He denied Malaysia had mishandled the inquiry into the missing Boeing 777, saying the level of international co-ordination in the search effort was “unprecedented.”

“Not many countries could get 26 countries to work together,” Hishamuddin added. “Not many countries could get all the technology we have got. I think history will judge us well.”

Image: Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean AZHAR RAHIM / EPA
Malaysia's acting Transport Minister Hishamuddin Hussein, center, speaks at a news conference Tuesday in Kuala Lumpur as other officials look on.

Families in China who have also accused Malaysia of not telling the truth about the missing jet.
 
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asif iqbal

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Can someone list the assets the Chinese have deployed to the area

I know they have sent the 17th escort flotilla and the Ice breaker plus IL-76 is there some coast guard ships also there?

Also is the IL-76 modified for searching over the sea because otherwise how are they looking for the plane in the sea are the crews just looking out the window with binoculars?

Because it was a Chinese IL-76 which first indentified the debris a few days ago

Also I seen a Y-8 aircraft which model was this?
 

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I finally had some time to watch this video from CNN regarding how doppler effect was used by Inmarsat to figure out which direction the plane went. Perhaps they have left out some more technical details, but I don't think doppler effect alone, at least in the way that this guy explained it would have pointed out which of the two directions the plane took. Since the distance to satellites are basically circles on the map, the plane could have taken the northern route and still generated the same doppler effects at each of the pings.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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now they have to find more. and try and figure out based on the Current where the bulk of the wreckage is and more over locate the black boxes
 

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Can someone list the assets the Chinese have deployed to the area

I know they have sent the 17th escort flotilla and the Ice breaker plus IL-76 is there some coast guard ships also there?

Also is the IL-76 modified for searching over the sea because otherwise how are they looking for the plane in the sea are the crews just looking out the window with binoculars?

Because it was a Chinese IL-76 which first indentified the debris a few days ago

Also I seen a Y-8 aircraft which model was this?


1) Two Il-76 and one Y-8 transport planes operating out of Australia. basic transport variants, not MPA, MK.1 eyeball search.

2) Icebreaking Research Ship XueLong reached the search area

3) Naval group of 071 LPD Kunlunshan, 052C DDG Haikou (171), and replenishment ship Qiandaohu reached the search area today

4) Cutter Haixun 01 scheduled to arrive in the search area on Saturday.

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5) Two rescue ships Nanhaijiu 115 and Donghaijiu 101 also on the way.

6) A second 071 group centered around Jinggangshan also dispatched to South Indian Ocean.

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asif iqbal

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1) Two Il-76 and one Y-8 transport planes operating out of Australia. basic transport variants, not MPA, MK.1 eyeball search.

2) Icebreaking Research Ship XueLong reached the search area

3) Naval group of 071 LPD Kunlunshan, 052C DDG Haikou (171), and replenishment ship Qiandaohu reached the search area today

4) Cutter Haixun 01 scheduled to arrive in the search area on Saturday.

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5) Two rescue ships Nanhaijiu 115 and Donghaijiu 101 also on the way.

6) A second 071 group centered around Jinggangshan also dispatched to South Indian Ocean.

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That's great thanks for that information sir!

Really that's a lot of vessals there and more importantly China has deployed two out of her three LPD!! Wow

Big show right there

Plus let's remember the 17th escort flotilla also is going there
 
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