Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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Here's How British Satellite Company Inmarsat Tracked Down The Missing Malaysia Plane

The Telegraph
SOPHIE CURTIS, The Telegraph
Mar. 24, 2014, 1:55 PM 11,393 5



Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced today that, based on satellite data analysis from UK company Inmarsat, Malayia Airlines flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean, and no one on board survived.

In a press statement this afternoon, Mr Razak said: "Inmarsat, the UK company that provided the satellite data which indicated the northern and southern corridors, has been performing further calculations on the data. Using a type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort, they have been able to shed more light on MH370’s flight path.

"Based on their new analysis, Inmarsat and the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth. This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

Inmarsat’s role in the search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 began immediately after the aircraft disappeared. Although the main aircraft communications addressing and reporting system (which would usually transmit the plane's position) was switched off, one of Inmarsat’s satellites continued to pick up a series of automated hourly 'pings' from a terminal on the plane, which would normally be used to synchronise timing information.

By analysing these pings, Inmarsat was able to establish that MH370 continued to fly for at least five hours after the aircraft left Malaysian airspace, and that it had flown along one of two 'corridors' – one arcing north and the other south.

"Effectually we looked at the Doppler effect, which is the change in frequency, due to the movement of a satellite in its orbit. What that then gave us was a predicted path for the northerly route and a predicted path the southerly route," explained Chris McLaughlin, senior vice president of external affairs at Inmarsat.

This information was relayed to Malaysian officials by 12 March, but Malaysia's government did not publicly acknowledge it until 15 March, according to the Wall Street Journal. Malaysia began to redirect the search effort that day, to focus on the areas the information described. However, some officials involved with the probe warned that the lost days and wasted resources could impede the investigation.

Meanwhile, Inmarsat's engineers carried out further analysis of the pings and came up with a much more detailed Doppler effect model for the northern and southern paths. By comparing these models with the movement of other aircraft on similar routes, they were able to establish an "extraordinary matching" between Inmarsat's predicted path to the south and the readings that it got from other planes.

"By yesterday they were able to definitively say that the plane had undoubtedly taken the southern route," said McLaughlin.

These pings from the satellite – along with assumptions about the plane’s speed – helped Australia and the US National Transportation Safety Board to narrow down the search area to just 3 per cent of the southern corridor on 18 March.

"We worked out where the last ping was, and we knew that the plane must have run out before the next automated ping, but we don't know what speed the aircraft was flying at – we assumed about 450 knots," said McLaughlin. "We can’t know when the fuel actually ran out, we can’t know whether the plane plunged or glided, and we can’t know whether the plane at the end of the time in the air was flying more slowly because it was on fumes."

Inmarsat passed the relevant analysis to the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) yesterday. The cause of the crash remains a mystery.

I assume the lag time between when someone has new information/theories and when the Malaysian authorities announce it in public is due to all the entities the information/theories have to pass through to be re-verified, possibly scrubbed, and authorized for passing along to the next entity. This is understandable and not the fault of Malaysian authorities.
 

SteelBird

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Gents, let's put down the discussion for 4 minutes and listen to this song. Let's us pray for the 239 passengers and crew of the MH370 together.

[video=youtube;4VEyye-xr84]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VEyye-xr84[/video]
 
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Just after I finished typing my last response, a thought occurred to me which can make your electronic hijack a much more plausible alternative theory by providing a reason for why someone would want to ditch the plane so far from anywhere.

It could be that someone indeed hijacked the plane remotely by hacking it, that the voice which told air traffic control everything as ok after the plane started head off course was either the voice of the hacker, or more likely, a digital recreation of the copilot's voice transmitted by the hacker.

The same hacker or hackers could have broken into commercial and military networks to shield the plane from observers.

The reason for the hijack was simply a proof of concept exercise to see if they could actually remotely take control of the 777, and/or to demonstrate that capability to someone. Trying to make sure the wreckage is never found, or at least is not found anytime soon, would be to stop anyone from realising what happened to make sure whatever vulnerability they exploited remain unpatched so they could do it again.

Sadly, if anything this is an even more sinister and frightening possibility to a state sanctioned intelligence operation as if true, it means every 777, and maybe many other models of passenger airliner in operation worldwide is a potential suicide drone that could be take over at any time and flown anywhere and/or into anything.

The thought of what something like Al-Q could do with such a capacity does bare thinking about...

As I mentioned earlier I believe it is plausible that the plane was electronically hijacked but I doubt that anyone would do that just as a proof of concept. As you and others mentioned before, someone must really have not wanted someone or something on that flight to get from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

At the same time other explanations are also plausible including suicide by one of the pilots or someone else on board, but if this is the case it is usually not difficult to find evidence and signs from before the incident. Unless the suicide was for the purpose of say life insurance fraud, in which case the perpetrator would try to hide the fact that it was suicide.

I also agree with whoever said the Indonesian authorities may also be lacking in capability, procedures, competence, or honesty regarding the airliner/UFO passing through its airspace similar to the Malaysian authorities. I chose to highlight the Malaysians though because it is an airliner from their airline, a flight originating in their capital, and they have a large number of citizens on board.

If this incident was a conspiracy though, especially if it was an electronic hijacking, then the hijackers' capabilities may well outclass those of both Malaysian and Indonesian authorities.
 

broadsword

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How the US Navy will locate the black box:

..the Navy said it will deploy a system, called Towed Pinger Locator 25, to give searchers an advantage in locating the missing Malaysian airliner's black box.

The system, which is towed behind a ship at slow speeds, carries a passive listening device for detecting pingers that automatically transmit an acoustic pulse.

Pinger devices are attached to each of the plane's two black boxes. The Navy said its system can hear a pinger at a "maximum depth of 20,000 feet anywhere in the world." Battery life of the devices is about 30 days.

Not many days left.
 

MwRYum

Major
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Color me skeptical.

This latest announcment by Malaysia, IMHO, is premature. It's almost like they want it to just go away.

Until they have physically recovered pieces of the aircraft from the Southern Indian Ocean, it is all based on conjecture and analysis of sat images.

For me, that is not enough. If they find acutal pieces of the aircraft there...that will be significant confirmation of this theory...particularly if they recover the black boxes, which in any case is going to be an almost impossible task until they can recover pieces and then back track their driing to somethiong close to where the aircraft went down...and with all of the storms down there, that will be monumental. But none of that can happen until they have an actual piece of the airplane.

IMHO, we are still not at all surew what happened to this aircraft. IMHO there is really zero possibility (or so close to it that it would be impossible to distinguish the difference) that these people are still alive. I just do not believe we know for sure yet that it went down where the Malyasians are now confirming that it did.

I won't be surprised if the Malaysian Government ministers, in every evening prayer for the past 2 weeks, indeed pray to Allah to have this whole incident "go away"...up till now, their handling of this incident have made it not just a crisis for Malaysian Airlines (they've been in the red for the last few years, and historically, any major accident will make an airline in such state fold) but more than major embarrassment for the Malaysian Government as well.

However, there's no surprise that the plane indeed crashed and no survivors, more like the relatives can now finally cry their grief, no longer need to hold out for any false hope for their loved ones.
 
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Air Force Brat

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The extreme incompetency displayed by the Indonesian Malaysian air force and government air defense is jaw-dropping. It's as the 777 is more stealthy than a B2.

Your presumptive statement, in your presumptive ignorance of the facts and circumstances, belies your own presumptions, and shows a willingness to make statements based solely on your own presumptions and presuppositions. This is not conducive to solving the case, Mr. Holmes would be in awe of your poor methodology for problem solving. In order to solve a case such as this, it is always best to eliminate your personal bias, you see, only the truth will bring true satisfaction, but in order to be satisfied by truth, you must demand that only the truth will bring you satisfaction, better to wait patiently for the truth, than to be satisfied with your own presuppositions, which almost always lead one deeper into error. Rash statements often allow the guilty to escape by punishing the innocent, so please be patient, it is better not to know anything, than to base your solution upon ignorance---I mean really?????
 
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Why and how this tragedy happened are still open questions.

However regardless of the answers to those questions, if facts have already been determined to show the airliner flew through Malaysian and Indonesian airspace after it deviated from its original flight path and authorities in both countries either didn't know or knew but did nothing then it is fair to criticize those authorities as being deficient in some way.
 

kwaigonegin

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Why and how this tragedy happened are still open questions.

However regardless of the answers to those questions, if facts have already been determined to show the airliner flew through Malaysian and Indonesian airspace after it deviated from its original flight path and authorities in both countries either didn't know or knew but did nothing then it is fair to criticize those authorities as being deficient in some way but this goes back to the .

Hindsight is always 20/20. Fact is the aircraft did get painted. The deviation near igari to the subsequent southwest heading to Indian ocean until primary radar lost track was literally in minutes. We're talking maybe 3-400 miles max in which a t 7 can do in 30 or so minutes.

We're also talking a civilian heavy here not a squadron of unidentified bogeys coming in low and fast originating from a neighboring country. By the time the radar operator finished scratching his head and wondering if he should wake up the colonel at 0200 on why a MAS t7 was flying toward the Indian ocean, it has probably flew past the primary radar coverage. Malaysia AFAIK is also not in a state of war nor in any imminent danger of one so I seriously doubt they have alert 5 fighters on standby. To presume why there is no mid air interception in this case is assinine and shows ignorance. It's one thing if the pilot keyed in hijack codes or if the plane was red flagged in flight for whatever reason but it wasn't.

The same reasoning probably applies to Indonesia as well. If I have to nitpick i guess I could have wondered why Malaysian air force or ground control didn't notify India or Indonesian authorities of a possible runaway jet and have them track the plane but this goes back to the waking up the colonel scenario. Actually in this instance the colonel after being woken up will have to wake up the general who may then have to wake up the SecDev. By this time MH 370 would've long flew past everyone's radar coverage if she actually flew the path they think it flew.
 

JsCh

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It now look very likely that it is the pilot of the plane deliberately trying to hide the plane.
And why would anyone want to do that?
If it is suicide/murder than I guess a logical answer is not required.
However assuming that the pilot is sane, logical and humane, another scenario that I think could be possible, would be thus.
One, all the passenger are dead. Second, the pilot would be hold responsible for their accidental death.
Consider for example that the pilot allow a certain cargo into the plane by his sole discretion, and that cargo caused the death of all the passenger on board.
Upon discovery of his predicament, the pilot might have chosen to hide whatever happen.
It could be called irresponsible, but the captain did go down with the ship.
 
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