Magic of MIG-35

swimmerXC said:

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That red Star snif...Anyway it's still remains a Mig, should wait for air-combat.

swimmerXC said:

you should feel pround, the MiG-21 is the most produced fighter in the world adn not to mention they made teh MFI, the only reason i would think they wouln't offer to china is 1. the MiG-35 is designed to counter the US sale of F-18 2. China would probably not buy it, since they are already in love with the Sukoi (remember when the russian showed china the MiG-29 and Su-27, they picked the flanker) 3. Personally i think china is not going to buy many fighters on the international market anymore, atleast until the embargo ends

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Have you seen those planes side by side. If not go see em and you'll understand why china picked the SU. The mig is soo tiny compared to the flanker. It can't perform all the Sukhoi roles. It's a specific "ground air ground" plane not a pure multi role.

Uhm...this so called "bell"-manouver (stop, 360degree mid-air) would most likely dont work with full weapon load and fuel, right? And it would bleed off so much energy...is it realy "worth" it?


About the Flanker's size. Heres some pics showing a Su-27UB compared to a RNoAF F-16B when the Ruskies visited my local air base. (I had to cut the pics realy much so I dont show the airbase innstallation, as its not legal to do so in Norway).

Knarfo said:

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Thank you very much!

Uhm...this so called "bell"-manouver (stop, 360degree mid-air) would most likely dont work with full weapon load and fuel, right? And it would bleed off so much energy...is it realy "worth" it?

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Don't some people call it the "Cobra Loop"?

That Flanker is B-I-G. O.O

Gauntlet said:

Uhm...this so called "bell"-manouver (stop, 360degree mid-air) would most likely dont work with full weapon load and fuel, right? And it would bleed off so much energy...is it realy "worth" it?

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You are correct, basically. I guess it could be done at really slow speeds even with full weapons and fuel. But I emphesis this, low speeds indeed. The spectacular stunts can not be performed at all at normal air combat speeds i.e high subsonic mach. This would naturally rip the wings off. For example the famous Pugachevs cobra is performed at either <600 km/h or <400 km/h, i do not remember which. The manoeuvres are simply too violent for higher speeds regardless of loadout. They would greatly overstress the aircrafts structures.

Regarding it worth in combat: It all depends. Normally no. Because it is generally suicide to go that slow. Also the new generation of missiles Python 4/5, IRIS-T, AIM-9X and asraam have very advanced seekers and coupled with HMS their no escape zones are large indeed. If for some very unlikely reason you end up in a prolonged and guns only fight you will end up going slow from all the hard manoeuvring and there these stunts will be useful.
Also it has been suggested that coming to stop would break the lock on of a Doppler radar. This probably happens, since the aircraft will at least temporarily have the same speed as the background earth, but when the plane accelerates again to a speed above the gate speed it should become visible again. If the radar is not operating in a look-down mode and there is no ground to filtered out I do not know how it will work.


Although this is a sales pitch, it is well worth reading to better understand the capabilities of modern missiles. They can not be outmanouvered (except with great luck) like in the movies or in games.

sumdud said:

Thank you very much!

Don't some people call it the "Cobra Loop"?

That Flanker is B-I-G. O.O

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the pugachev cobra, named after the pilot that performed it.

After all these years , MIG 35 still remains the fastest military aircraft check which aircraft follows next...

*Out of Russia holds 4 places

From Defense Industry Daily:

April 22/14: MiG-35s? Israel’s Channel 2 is citing official sources in Moscow and Cairo who say that Egypt will buy 24 thrust-vectoring MiG-35s, which aren’t even scheduled to begin deliveries to the Russian air force until 2016. Agreement in principle reportedly took place in February 2014, but there is no contract yet, so details are still being sorted out. As one source put it: “UAC CEO Sergei Korotkov confirmed that negotiations are ongoing but said the number of aircraft Egypt will eventually get has been changing constantly.”

MiG-35s would give Egypt a formidable aerial opponent that is far in advance of the F-16C/Ds it has received from America. Key questions include whether the MiG-29′s human interface weaknesses have been adequately fixed, and whether Egypt can keep the finicky fighters in service if it buys them. The biggest question is how Egypt will fund that buy. Egypt’s treasury is a mess, and so they’re relying on funds from Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Neither of whom are happy with Russia’s actions in Syria. Sources: Times of Israel, “Russia said set to sell its top fighter jets to Egypt” | Defense Update, “Egypt interested in buying 24 MiG-35s from Russia”.

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