Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)


Jeff Head

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whatever I think :)
US Navy About To Double Its LCS Fleet

the one sentence I put in boldface might be related to stuff I read somewhere in the Internet which was like speculating about complications to integrate the Kongsberg NSM into LCSs without years of tweaking
I believe the NSM would be a good option for the LCS.

Whether the US military will opt for it is another matter, and we will b have to wait and see.

As I expect the LRASM will not be on the LCS, I think the NSM would be a good solution. We know the JSM, which is the air launched version of the NSM, is going to be used n the F-35 in Norwegian and probably European service. I would not be surprised to see it available for US use as well.

In that case...all the more reason for the NSM on the LCS.
 

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Kongsberg Ready to Answer the US Navy OTH ASM Requirement for the LCS with "Bolt On" NSM

Kongsberg openly talks about "bolt on" solution...

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Austal Delivered Future USS Jackson Littoral Combat Ship 6 to U.S. Navy
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Austal Limited (Austal) is pleased to announce it has successfully delivered Littoral Combat Ship 6 (LCS 6), the future USS Jackson, to the U.S. Navy. USS Jackson is the first ship in its class built by Austal as prime contractor at its shipyard in Mobile, Alabama, under a 10 vessel, US$3.5 billion contract the U.S. Navy awarded to Austal in 2010.
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(looks kinda weird from that angle)
 

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Kongsberg Ready to Answer the US Navy OTH ASM Requirement for the LCS with "Bolt On" NSM

Kongsberg openly talks about "bolt on" solution...
I like the NSM solution for the LCS, and hope that the NSM is taken up for the vessels..

Austal Delivered Future USS Jackson Littoral Combat Ship 6 to U.S. Navy

Austal Limited (Austal) is pleased to announce it has successfully delivered Littoral Combat Ship 6 (LCS 6), the future USS Jackson, to the U.S. Navy. USS Jackson is the first ship in its class built by Austal as prime contractor at its shipyard in Mobile, Alabama, under a 10 vessel, US$3.5 billion contract the U.S. Navy awarded to Austal in 2010.
Well,, as I posted:

July 2nd she successfully completed US Navy Acceptance Trialshttps://www.sinodefenceforum.com/littoral-combat-ships-lcs.t3993/page-80#post-350044https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/littoral-combat-ships-lcs.t3993/page-80#post-350044

I guess it took them six weeks to document all of that and get her actually delivered.
 
I like the NSM solution for the LCS, and hope that the NSM is taken up for the vessels..

...

I did some digging :)
starting from
Navy Issues RFI for New Frigate Anti-Surface Missile
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I got to this update ("Responses to Vendor Questions):
1. Estimated delivery period of test missiles and how many per year?

ANSWER: Assuming a FY17 contract award a notional LRIP testing period would have one full system procured in FY 17 and one full system in FY 18. A full system is defined as; two (2) Launchers, one (1) Fire Control System and eight (8) Missiles contracted for in both FY17 and FY 18 with each systems delivery two years later. For example, the FY17 contract would be for two (2) launchers, one (1) fire control systems and eight (8) missiles to be delivered in FY19. Assume an additional four (4) missiles each year as test articles. That would mean a total of twelve missiles in FY17 and a total of twelve missiles in FY18.


2. Delivery period for operational missiles and how many per year?

ANSWER: Notional FF ship Procurement schedule is as follows:

FY19 FY20 FY21 FY22 FY23 FY24

2 3 3 3 3 3 3

Assume eight (8) missiles per ship delivered to the Navy two (2) years after ship contract award. For example, the FY 19 ship missiles (two (2) ships times eight (8) missiles=sixteen (16) missiles) would need to be delivered in FY 21. Also assume an additional buy of eight (8) missiles per year as operational test articles/spares each year from FY19 to FY 24. All of the above schedules and quantities are notional and for planning purposes only, and are subject to change based on operational and budgetary requirements.
etc., dated June 29, available from:
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US Navy Plans to Double LCS Fleet Size to Eight Ships by February

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is preparing to accept delivery of four more of its shallow-water
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between now and February of next year, effectively doubling its current fleet size of the ships and paving the way for more deployments.
On Tuesday, the sea service formally accepted delivery of the USS Jackson (LCS 6) during a ceremony at the Austal USA shipyard in Mobile, Alabama.
Next, it to receive the the USS Milwaukee (LCS 5) in October of this year and the USS Montgomery (LCS 8) in December of this year, Naval Sea Systems Command spokesman Chris Johnson explained.
Then, the Navy expects to accept delivery of the USS Detroit (LCS 7) in February of next year, he added.
"By early next year, the Navy will be operating eight littoral combat ships and we'll be accepting four more by the end of 2016," Johnson told Military.com. “The Navy will continue to accept ships at that rate for the next several years making the LCS class the second largest surface combatant class in the fleet and the key to our ability to operate in shallow, coastal waterways around the world."

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They are welcome all Perry retired in few months.
 

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Naval Today said:
US Navy’s USS Coronado (LCS 4) successfully tracked and neutralized both single and multiple fast inshore attack craft during live-fire testing off the coast of California July 18-22.

The ship’s crew and embarked surface warfare (SUW) mission package (MP) detachment conducted test events using the ship’s core weapons system – the Mk 110 57mm gun-and the embarked SUW MP Mk 46 30mm gun weapon systems (GWS) against a “swarm raid” of representative fast inshore attack craft. In a swarm raid, multiple enemy ships attempt to attack a ship using large numbers of smaller craft.

The test validated the accuracy and capability of the ship’s weapons systems against representative attack craft in an operationally realistic scenario.
This was a good exercise. it allowed the Coronado to use its 74mm and 30mm guns to defeat multiple speed boats simulating an attack on the vessel.

In certain speicif littoral locations, this is a major concern. They have already show the capability to take down multiple vessels with the anti-swarming missiles (The Hellfire missiles), but should some get past that they need to also be able to take down multiple fast moving vessels like this with their guns.

Apparently they are showing that with the SUW MP they are able to do so.

...and that os good news.
 

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US Navy Plans to Double LCS Fleet Size to Eight Ships by February

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is preparing to accept delivery of four more of its shallow-water
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between now and February of next year, effectively doubling its current fleet size of the ships and paving the way for more deployments.

"By early next year, the Navy will be operating eight littoral combat ships and we'll be accepting four more by the end of 2016," Johnson told Military.com. “The Navy will continue to accept ships at that rate for the next several years making the LCS class the second largest surface combatant class in the fleet and the key to our ability to operate in shallow, coastal waterways around the world."
When you look at the shipbuilding for these two LCS vessels...they have really stepped it up.

They will be delivering two each from each facility each year for the next several years. That's four Frigate sized vessels per year and is something we have gotten used to seeing in China for the PLAN...but not to this degree recently in the US.

Here's a recent picture from Marinette Marine in Wisconsin with the Freedom ships:

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That's three Freedom class vessels outfitting...there would be another two under construction. We will see that pace for the next several years.

And here's one from Austal in Mobile for the Independence ships:

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You can see, to the right of the picture, three Independence class vessels there outfitting...two next to the halls, and one above in the final outfitting pool. There are another two in the halls.

Pretty amazing stuff for US shipbuilding.

The US Navy has figured out that all of the Perry's are going to be gone real soon and they have kicked it into high gear. with the upgrades for these LCS, and with the same hull going to be produced for ther FFs, we will see this, as I say, for many years to come.
 

advill

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Probably the US could eventually consider Joint-Venture arrangements with experienced and reliable Asian ship-builders as JV partners to build LCSs for their Navies. Makes sense economically like French DCN had done. However, cost & US high-tech security concerns are major obstacles I suppose. Also more fine-tuning tests required in the US.
 

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The US Navy has figured out that all of the Perry's are going to be gone real soon and they have kicked it into high gear. with the upgrades for these LCS, and with the same hull going to be produced for ther FFs, we will see this, as I say, for many years to come.

Now remains only and for a month 2 Perry : USS Simpson (FFG 56), USS Kauffman (FFG 59) with 3 Independence and 2 Freedom USN have 7 Frigates.
For end of year, see my post # 876 above 7 Frigates, the 2 Perry retired and 2 LCS received.
Next year 4 then end of year : 11 Frigates.

USN have ordered this last 3 years 4 LCS/year but now 3 because USN keep money for Burke and also 2 Virginia by year, and very possible in 2020's with SSBN-X to buy 2/years new variant with a good armament, good number with 2/3 Burke.

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