Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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Jura said:
I'll put here what I noticed about the PPA for the Italian Navy
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"The ships will replace patrol ships, corvettes and frigates and will initially be delivered in a full and a light configuration." etc.:
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... and I went on with my thoughts on modern ships' propulsion (to disinterest here :) now I just found the chart with a PPA:
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FORBIN

FORBIN

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A curious bow nice combattant in addtion to DDG Doria, FFG Bergamini but armament seems exaggerated Bergamini are amed with only 4 Otomat.
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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I disagree completely here:
FORBIN said:
... but armament seems exaggerated Bergamini are amed with only 4 Otomat.
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as this thinking would only make sense if you compared to Type 45 Destroyers which have ZERO AShMs (I of course know some of them obtained the Harpoons taken away from decommissioned Type 22 Frigates, as apparently the Royal Navy can't afford new ones, what an outrage!)
I've kept saying for like two years here that Western Warships are under-armed ... even the USN still "mulling" "eventually" arming LCSs but look at the Far East or at ... I'm actually a big fan of the RN and USN so I better stop.
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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something from LockMart now:
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Development of Navy’s Future Frigate Pushes Forward
As Lockheed Martin continues to manufacture littoral combat ships for the Navy at the rate of two per year, program officials are pushing forward with a frigate design that keeps elements of the LCS and adds in weapons and survivability features from an Arleigh-Burke class destroyer.

According to a briefing to reporters Tuesday, the frigate design will incorporate the Nulka missile decoy system from the destroyer, allowing the frigate to lure anti-ship missiles away from its hull. Like the destroyer, the frigate will also feature the SEWIP electronic warfare system.

And in addition to the Longbow Hellfire surface-to-surface missiles and SeaRAM air defense missiles featured on the LCS, the frigate will include an over-the-horizon surface-to-surface missile system.

The contracting process for the frigate is set to begin in 2019, but
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shipyards may get requests for proposals for the new frigate class as soon as this year.

To date, a program cut from 52 LCS/frigates to 40 has not affected Lockheed Martin planning. The company has nearly ten years’ worth of ships in various stages of planning and production, and King said officials awaited a final Navy production plan.

“Currently, the program of record that we’re going to be providing is 52 ships, both the LCS and the frigate,” Lockheed Martin director of littoral combat ships/frigates Neil King said.
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inside is this chart:
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great sales talk, as if LCS+AB was FF ... according to so many ticks
 
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dtulsa

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One question that has bugged me for years can the SLAM version of harpoon be used from harpoon launch cannisters in the same way as the harpoon for a land attack capability just curious
 
Brumby

Brumby

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Jura said:
something from LockMart now:
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Development of Navy’s Future Frigate Pushes Forward


source:
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inside is this chart:
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great sales talk, as if LCS+AB was FF ... according to so many ticks
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The Saudi version of the LCS which comes with a 16 cell VLS would be a good design for the FF program. The development is paid for by the Saudi and building 4 + 10 (potentially more) will generate economies of scale. Such a design will need to come in at below a billion dollars a vessel.
 
FORBIN

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dtulsa said:
One question that has bugged me for years can the SLAM version of harpoon be used from harpoon launch cannisters in the same way as the harpoon for a land attack capability just curious
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SLAM retired from long time now AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER missile based on the Harpoon also initialy in fact mainly a LACM used by Navy for her F-18 Navy don' t get AGM-158 and use him, main difference clearly less powerful warhead of 220 kg as Harpoon ofc AGM-158 450 kg more big but same accuracy ~ 3 m
Only air-launched.
I don't think anti-ships.
 
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dtulsa

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That would be logical but we shall see sure wouldn't hurt to havy ESSM capability no matter what Id like to see that on all the lcs/ssc ship's along with a credible SAM does any one know if reloads are carried for sea ram aboard ship 11 missiles doesn't seem like much
 
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