Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

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This article seems to e clearer on the decision process and timing unlike the earlier article.

I think I found the latest on the RMMV etc. (from yesterday; I put one paragraph in boldface):
Independent Board Reviewing LCS Minehunting System
Reacting to renewed concerns from Congress and a highly critical memo from the Pentagon’s top weapons tester, the US Navy has set up an independent review panel to look at the minehunting system in development for the littoral combat ship (LCS). The panel, according to the Navy, will concentrate on the system’s reliability issues and explore possible alternatives.

The move is the latest in the long and troubled developmental history of the system, which the Navy has been working on for more than 13 years .

The Remote Minehunting System (RMS) is intended to give the LCS the ability to locate and identify mines without the ship needing to enter the minefield. Central to that capability is the Remote Multi-Mission Vehicle (RMMV), a diesel-powered submersible carrying an AQS-20 sonar that can operate independently of the ship to search and sweep the sea much more quickly than current systems.

Two key decisions are looming: The first, scheduled for this fall, is whether to enter or delay the system's initial operational test and evaluation phase, and a decision scheduled for February is due on whether to award, delay or cancel the low rate initial production (LRIP 2) contract for the RMMV.

Lockheed Martin, which produced all existing RMMVs, is reportedly the only bidder for the LRIP 2 contract.

Over the summer, the Navy conducted an extensive technical evaluation of the RMS system in the Gulf of Mexico and, while the system has shown it can find and identify mines, reliability remains an issue, particularly with the RMMV. The tech eval ended on Aug. 30, and the Navy has said further testing will be required in fiscal 2016.

The system’s reliability problems were listed in detail in an Aug. 3 memo from Michael Gilmore, director, Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E), to DoD acquisition chief Frank Kendall. Gilmore, in his memo, claimed Navy reliability scores for the program were overly optimistic, and recommended they not be reported to Congress until “clear, unambiguous and meaningful reliability goals and tracking metrics” are established.

The Senate Armed Services Committee weighed in on Aug. 31 with a letter to Kendall and the Navy recommending the service evaluate the program and examine potential alternatives before reaching those decision points.

Kendall, responding on Oct. 8, agreed with the committee’s recommendations and pledged that the program would not move forward until the completion of an operational test readiness review in October and the independent panel’s report in November.

Kendall is the milestone decision authority for the RMS program, which was given acquisition category I (ACAT I) status following a 2009 Nunn-McCurdy review.

The Navy declined to discuss details of the review panel, which was set up on Sept. 25 and given 60 days to report to service leadership. The panel is headed by Rear Adm. David Johnson, program executive officer for submarines. Johnson has been nominated for a third star and is expected to become the next principal military deputy to the Navy’s acquisition directorate.

LCS program officials, however, discussed the situation in an Oct. 16 interview with Defense News.

“I don’t dispute that the reliability of what we’ve seen in tech eval was below what we’ve seen in prior test events,” said Capt. William Guarini, program manager for the Remote Minehunting System Office at Naval Sea Systems Command.

“What I think is lost in these discussions,” Guarini added, “is that reliability is just one aspect of my performance requirements. Ultimately the system is finding mines. While we will work to improve reliability, the bottom line is that it does do what it was designed to do.”

Capt. Casey Moton, program executive officer for LCS mission modules, acknowledged differences between the Navy and DOT&E in the way reliability figures are calculated.

“Our list essentially matches their list,” Moton said. “A lot of the differences are just in the nuances about which failures count when and the hours that count. Yes, there are some differences in the counting, but fundamentally the issue is that the Navy needs to look at RMMV reliability and how to improve that.”

One of the key observations Gilmore listed was the frequency during tech eval where shore-based support was necessary to deal with problems encountered by the system. He noted that support might not be available when the ships were at sea searching real minefields.

Moton pointed out that that is not the case.

“There is no expectation the ship is going to be out there doing this mission alone with no shore support,” he explained. “Our maintenance concept of operations includes the use of shore operating stations. Obviously you want the crew to be self-sufficient, but it includes the ability to get parts and technical experts to the ship if we need to.

“The notion that the ship has to be able to do all of these things without any support from the shore side is just not true and not per the ConOps,” he declared.

Both officials acknowledged the frustration factor in proving the RMMV’s reliability, but they also pointed to significant improvements in the LRIP proposal received from “a vendor,” presumably Lockheed.

“The proposal that came in,” Guarini said, “shows improved reliability, produceability and maintainability. … The proposal is a significant improvement going forward.”

Guarini and Moton also pointed to needed improvements in training, documentation and operating procedures

“There are some things we can readily adjust and fix prior to going to RT&E,” Guarini said, including “cleaning up training procedures, clarifying some of the process changes and how we’re going to maintain the vehicles with the shore construct LCS has. There are things we can do to improve it in the short term.”

One analyst felt many of the issues would be resolved with the improved LRIP II vehicles and maturing support procedures.

“Lockheed took an aviation, high-end electronics approach,” the analyst noted. “Proactive maintenance, swap things out before they break. But surface Navy has a different culture. They don’t fix things until they break.

“It could be as much a philosophical thing as a physical thing,” he said, adding that the Navy “doesn’t have a robust parts system in place because it’s not a program in production.”

Frank Drennan, a retired Navy rear admiral now in charge of business development for Lockheed’s Mission and Unmanned Systems division in Riviera Beach, Florida, which directly supports the RMMV, defended the system’s reliability performance.

“In each of the cases where we were graded, we met or exceeded the Navy’s Mean Time Between Operational Failure metric,” Drennan said in an Oct. 15 interview. “And that was over a series of tests operated by us as the contractor, but also by US Navy sailors and others.

“We have confidence we are addressing the reliability issues as they come up, are fixing them, and that they will lead to addressing that overall reliability,” he added.
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Naval Today said:
The US Navy accepted delivery of the future littoral combat ship, USS Milwaukee (LCS 5) during a ceremony at the Marinette Marine Corporation shipyard Oct. 16.

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, USS Milwaukee is the sixth littoral combat ship to be delivered to the Navy and the third of the Freedom variant to join the fleet.

Delivery marks the official transfer of LCS 5 from a Lockheed Martin-led team to the Navy. It is the final milestone prior to commissioning, which is planned for Nov. 21 in its namesake city.

Following commissioning, Milwaukee will be homeported in San Diego with sister ships USS Freedom (LCS 1), USS Independence (LCS 2), USS Fort Worth (LCS 3), USS Coronado (LCS 4) and the future USS Jackson (LCS 6).

LCS is a modular, reconfigurable ship, with three types of mission packages including surface warfare, mine countermeasures, and anti-submarine warfare.
 

dtulsa

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Not only this weapons normaly also a Mk-41 module for ESSM, 32 missiles a FFG Variant mainly usefull to fill the gap btw MSC USN have 84 very powerful combattants with a minimum of 96 missiles each ! and LCS which are under armed a Frigate for Size and a Corvette for her armament.

Actualy they are good only for ASW duty with 2 MH-60R but don' t have a hull sonar, a towed sonar disponible with ASW module fortunately, a ASW helo is more efficient with a ship which track the sub it is a team effort, hull sonar also is more powerful.

I am not so sure about that anymore seems as though their having some trouble with the asw module now or may be that's the minesweeping I'm getting confused as to what actually is working right on these ships
 

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I am not so sure about that anymore seems as though their having some trouble with the asw module now or may be that's the minesweeping I'm getting confused as to what actually is working right on these ships
There's lots working right.

Their are aspects of a number of things that are also not working.

The LCS is a new concept for the US Navy. They are trying to develop a LOT of things simultaneously in the modules, while they continue to build the ships.

The ability to do the mine hunting to the level they are, with all new systems, is stretching the capability...and so you have issues.

Add to that the general under armament of the vessels themselves, and the fact that they are trying to bring tow completely separate hull designs into conformance with the same mission modules...and it ends up being a LOT of issues to deal with, even with a very effective program management team.

But do not let that lead you to believe that these programs will not prove ultimately effective.

As with any new programs there are going to be issues.

I have lived in that world and can tell you that it is always the case. sometimes less so than others. And whenever the program is a politically hot program...and any cutting edge program the US does these days is going to be, sadly, a target of political activism, then it just enhances the effect.

Now that they have addressed the armament issues, both with the 20 FFs and with planned upgrades to the existing LCS, they still have to make that happen.

At the same time, they have to work out these module issues.

IMHO, and I have advocated for this, they should just pick the Independence class, and say that they are going to be the ones for MMC and then develop the package to be permanently aboard those specific LCS

They should of the same thing for 16 of the Freedom class with the ASW package.

Uparm those 24 vessels as planned, but then have them be dedicated to the:

1) MCM role. with possible use as SpecOps duties for the Independence.
2) ASW escort role, with possible duties in littoral SAGs for ASuW for the Freedoms

In that fashion, when all is said and done you end up with:

16 x Independence uparmed MMC LCS vessels
10 x Independence multi-role FFs
16 x Freedom uparmed ASW LSC escorts
10 x Freedom multi-role FFs


Another way of looking at it would be:

MMC Vessels
16 x Indpendence uparmed LSC vessels

ASW Escorts
16 x Freedom class uparmed LCS vessels

Muli-role FFs
10 x Independence class FFs
10 x Freedom class FFs

This would simplify things tremendously and allow all of the technology to be brought forward.
 

dtulsa

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I'm also under the impression that the ssc will have a hull mounted sonar but I could be wrong about that

May I suggest a AAW version centered on a mk56 launcher for use in the littoral region somthing akin to the Stan fLex system also depending on the possible conceived threats ESSM only
 
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Jeff Head

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The current US administration is not going to go any futher than what they are already proposing with the FFs and the upgrades to the LCS.

BTW, there is no more SSC...it is now being called, officially by the SecN=av the FF.

If there is a new GOP administration, then it is possible that later some form of ESSM anti-air capability should be added. but we are at least two years away from that type oif thing happening if at all..
 

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Does anybody one know what kind of OTH missiles are being considered beyond Harpoon derivatives And the NSM/JSM
I believe this has been answered several times on this forum and in this thread.

You answered it yourself in the post.

If something new/different is announced...someone will post it.
 
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