Korea 2013... War Game or political game changer?

Franklin

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Those U.S. Stealth Jets Haven’t Actually Flown Near North Korea Yet

As North Korea ratchets up its apocalyptic rhetoric, the U.S. military has sent advanced warplanes to a big training exercise with South Korea, including its premiere stealth fighter, the F-22 Raptor. Only the Pentagon clarified today that the jets haven’t actually flown yet.

Two F-22 Raptors are on “static display” at the Osan air base south of Seoul, Pentagon spokesman George Little said. Outside of the flight on Sunday from Japan’s Kadena air base, first reported by the Wall Street Journal, the jets have yet to take part in the U.S.-South Korea exercise Foal Eagle, which will continue until the end of April.

The Raptors were previously scheduled to join the exercise, Little said, but their presence on the Korean Peninsula comes as North Korea has acted increasingly erratically since its latest nuclear detonation. An official statement over the weekend threatened a “do-or-die battle” with the United States, following the release of a photograph seeming to show Pyongyang’s leadership targeting the continental U.S. with long-range ballistic missiles it does not possess.

Still, the F-22 deployment for Foal Eagle comes after B-2 and B-52 bombers also flew over the Korean peninsula as part of the exercise, and after Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel added 14 missile interceptors to Alaska to blunt Pyongyang’s threats. In the event of an actual conflict on the Korean peninsula, the stealthy F-22s could escort the bombers or open fire on the North’s air defense stations. Check out this Aviatonist post for a good overview of what the F-22s could provide in what would amount to its combat debut. But it’s worth remembering that the current deployment is the F-22′s fourth trip to South Korea.

Little said the F-22 deployment was “all about alliance assurance” to South Korea and Japan, showing that the U.S. has their backs.

“The North Koreans have a choice,” he said. “They can continue to engage in provocations, with bellicose, overheated, irresponsible rhetoric, or they can pursue the path of peace. They’ve been pursuing the path of provocation, and we think it’s time for them to switch lanes.”

Little declined to say when the F-22s might get into the air as part of the Foal Eagle exercise — and he didn’t rule out sending additional advanced hardware to the Korean peninsula in the coming weeks.

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TerraN_EmpirE

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Wired is about as reliable on defence issues as rolling stone is on politics. Questionable at best propaganda at worst.
 

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PEARL HARBOR (March 22, 2013) The Sea-Based X-Band Radar (SBX) transits the waters of Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam. The SBX, headed to sea for systems checks, is a combination of the world's largest phased-array X-band radar carried aboard a mobile, ocean-going semi-submersible oil platform. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Daniel Barker/Released)

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Washington (CNN) -- The U.S. Navy is moving a warship and a sea-based radar platform closer to the North Korean coast in order to monitor that country's military moves, including possible new missile launches, a Defense Department official said Monday.

The decision to move at least one ship and the oil rig-like SBX-1 are the first of what may be other naval deployments, CNN has learned.

The action follows weeks of belligerent rhetoric from North Korea since a February nuclear bomb test, including the renunciation of the 60-year-old armistice that ended the Korean War and threats to use nuclear weapons.

The United States and South Korea have gone ahead with joint military exercises despite the threats, and South Korea warned Monday that any provocative moves from North Korea would trigger a strong response "without any political considerations."

The United States has bolstered the exercises with shows of force that included overflights by nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bombers, massive Cold War-era B-52s and F-22 Raptor stealth fighters.
 

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Gen. James Thurman, the top U.S. commander in South Korea, said that in his two years on the job he has never seen things as tense as they are right now, telling ABC News the situation on the Korean peninsula as "volatile" and "dangerous."

Thurman said in his exclusive interview with ABC News that his " job is to prevent war," but that his greatest fear is a "miscalculation" that causes "a kinetic provocation." In military parlance, kinetic refers to combat.


Thurman said North Korea's recent rhetoric has made the situation on the Korean peninsula "a dangerous period," but he added, "I think we're managing it quite well because on this side of the line we're very calm. And we're confident."

Thurman commands the 28,500 American military forces based in South Korea and also serves as the commander of United Nations Command.

The interview was conducted in one of the buildings at Panmunjon along the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) where South Korean and North Korean military forces face off just steps away from each other.


Thurman believes the "tough talk" from Kim Jong Un, North Korea's young leader, is him "trying to play to his internal audience." However, Thurman said that more importantly Kim is also trying "to intimidate the South Koreans and intimidate the region And we're not going to let that happen."

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The general thinks South Korea is serious when it says it will respond militarily to any offensive action by North Korea.


"I believe they will because we have a right to protect ourselves. And again we're not going to let the North Koreans intimidate us," said Thurman.


Thurman said with the North Korean rhetoric at such a high level his greatest fear is "a miscalculation. An impulsive decision that causes a kinetic provocation."


The general said he has to take North Korea's rhetoric seriously. Asked if he thought they were empty threats Thurman said "No, I don't think that they are. We've got to take every threat seriously."

With so little known about Kim Jong Un, Thurman said he is not sure what his true intentions are :because he's kind of reckless right now with his talk and all that."

North Korea's latest provocation came today when it announced that it was restarting the nuclear reactor at Yongbyon that it had closed down in 2007. The plant could be used to produce additional plutonium for its nuclear weapons program.

While he described North Korea's missiles as their largest threat, Thurman pointed across the DMZ and noted "there's 14,000 tubes of artillery just across this line beyond that far mountain range over there." That artillery poses a direct threat to Seoul, the South Korean capital which is located just 27 miles from the DMZ.

But if North Korea launches an offensive operation against South Korea Thurman said "I think we got to be ready to go."

"We will defend ourselves. We don't want to respond to some type of deceptive move into a rapid escalation into a conflict ... My job is to prevent war."

Thurman said the North Korean ballistic missile threat have the range to potentially hit the United States though "they haven't demonstrated the full capabilities that they can do an intercontinental ballistic missile as far as the delivery... I think they have a long way to go in my assessment."


"I think as we look at the missile portfolio North Korea has, we protect the homeland number one and make sure all our assets are available so we can provide protection if necessary." Thurman would not discuss what those protection options might be though "everything is on the table."


On Monday the U.S. Navy confirmed that it had sent the guided missile destroyer, USS John S McCain, to the waters off of South Korea. The ship carries SM-3 missiles capable of shooting down North Korean ballistic missiles. And today the Pentagon confirmed that an additional destroyer, the USS Decatur, was ordered to remain in the Pacific region.

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Thurman explained that the ships' movements, as well as the public acknowledgement that long range American bombers had conducted training missions over South Korea, were about sending a message of deterrence to North Korea.

"Defending the Republic of Korea against aggression is all about deterrence. And I think we've got good deterrence," said Thurman. "I'm confident as the commander here in what we need to do should hostilities break out."
While North Korea's rhetoric has raised tensions Thurman believes the situation will "calm down. I'm confident it will. I'm optimistic about it."

He pointed to the practical reason that North Korea routinely uses its military to work the fields during the farming season "so that they can have a good harvest."

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Re: Korea 2013 War, Game or political game changer

Both protagonist/antagonist are playing a pathetic and dangerous game of Dare. Really sad part is none of the 2 main agitators will suffer the most consequences when crap hits the fun.
 
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LesAdieux

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does NK have the capacity to launch a nuclear missile?

many people don't believe it, they think NK is still years away from that. well from China's experience we know that to minimize or weaponize atomic bomb is not that complicated, China did it in less than two years, China tested its first nuke in 1964, and launched a nuclear DF-2 in1966.

NK doesn't have the depth in resources and talents like China, but China did it nearly 50 years ago, and NK has been working on it for a long time, is it safe to assume they are always years away?
 

LesAdieux

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if kim is indeed mentally unstable!!!

a couple of weeks ago, an american congressman raised the question on kim's "mental stability". I'm a little bit worried about that now, how about if the kid is indeed unstable, and he just pushes the button?!
 

SinoSoldier

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China readies military in light of North Korean threats

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The continued threats from North Korea and its leader Kim Jong Un are being treated as serious by the US Military (and rightfully so). Today it was announced that the Navy was shifting a guided-missile destroyer in the Pacific to waters off the Korean peninsula in the wake of ongoing rhetoric from North Korea according to the Defense Dept. The carrier, the USS McCain is capable of intercepting and destroying a missile should the crazy North Korean follow through on its threats.

With the US and South Koreans preparing their defenses and the North's declaration of a “state of war” and threats to conduct missile attacks against the United States and South Korea there is real danger of some crazy with an itch starting to lob missiles at the opposite side of the peninsula.

Now if tensions aren't high enough, the Washington
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is reporting China has placed its military forces in the northeastern part of the country on heightened alert. Even worse there are mixed signals as to the reasons behind the heightened alert.
Reports from the region reveal the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) recently increased its military posture in response to the heightened tensions, specifically North Korea’s declaration of a “state of war” and threats to conduct missile attacks against the United States and South Korea.
According to the officials, the PLA has stepped up military mobilization in the border region with North Korea since mid-March, including troop movements and warplane activity.
China’s navy also conducted live-firing naval drills by warships in the Yellow Sea that were set to end Monday near the Korean peninsula, in apparent support of North Korea, which was angered by ongoing U.S.-South Korean military drills that are set to continue throughout April.
North Korea, meanwhile, is mobilizing missile forces, including road-mobile short- and medium-range missiles, according to officials familiar with satellite imagery of missile bases.
While the North Koreans are not seen as having the capability to strike the United States mainland, China is a different story.

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The Chinese military activities near North Korea were detected in Jilin Province, and intelligence reports from the area on March 19 indicated that PLA forces were ordered to go to “Level One” alert status, the highest level of readiness.
Large groups of soldiers were seen on the streets in Ji’an, a city in Jilin, amid reports that the PLA had been ordered to combat readiness status.
PLA heavy armored vehicles, including tanks and armored personnel carriers, were reported moving near the Yalu River that separates China from North Korea.
Remember there was never a peace at the end of the Korean war, and China was a combatant on the North Korean side.
China’s military maintains a long-standing defense treaty with the North that obligates China to defend North Korea in the event it is attacked. The last time Chinese forces backed Pyongyang was during the Korean War when tens of thousands of Chinese “volunteers” drove south into the peninsula.
Chinese military spokesmen frequently refer to their relations with the Korean People’s Army, as the North Korean military is called, as ties “as close as lips and teeth.”
Other reports from China indicate that the heightened tensions have led to a disruption of trade between China and North Korea along the border between the two countries.
One sign of slowed commerce between China and North Korea was a Chinese Internet report from a restaurant owner in Dandong, China, a border city, who said commerce between the two countries was disrupted following North Korea’s Feb. 12 underground nuclear test.
Since that time, it has been more difficult for the goods from North Korea to reach China because the North Korean Customs Office closed frequently as a result of increased Chinese inspections of North Korean goods.
U.S. officials and private analysts said the slowdown may be a sign of Beijing’s displeasure at the North Korean nuclear test.
The question remain is China trying to show its support of North Korea or show its displeasure? Are they just trying to prevent an influx of refugees from the peninsula or are they trying to warn the United States that they have Kim Jong Un's back no matter how crazy he acts?

The biggest question is why isn't Secretary of State Kerry meeting with his Chinese counterpart trying to defuse the situation?

To be honest Kim Jong Un is not concerning....but China is...and our naive President and our Kumbaya Secretary of State do not alleviate those concerns.
 
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