JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[Mohsin77]

I don't see why being able to shoot at each other is mandatory for 'live combat'. The Super Hornet was credited with its first A2A kill when it shot down a defenseless 1960-era Syrian attack jet, which (AFAIK) was not carrying any AAMs.

"Combat" is the situation in general. That engagement took place in a war in which there were literally 10 different forces fighting each other at the same time. US, Syrian rebels, Syrian loyalists, Iraq, Turkey, Russia, ISIS, Hezbollah, Kurds, Israel.

While in the other engagement Pakistan splashed an Iranian drone that was annoyingly sent across our border. We're still brotherly countries. We're not engaged in "live combat" with the intent to kill. If this was an Iranian fighter, we wouldn't have shot it down, we would've sparred with it or forced it to land etc. I wouldn't credit this as a "combat kill" even if I was the pilot. All the other pilots would just laugh at me lolz.

 

[plawolf]

I don't see why being able to shoot at each other is mandatory for 'live combat'. The Super Hornet was credited with its first A2A kill when it shot down a defenseless 1960-era Syrian attack jet, which (AFAIK) was not carrying any AAMs.

That’s why I don’t really think any recent western ‘combat’ experience count for much when the opponent is so overwhelmingly outmatched they are effectively living target dummies.

Hell, PLA target dummies are probably harder to killer on account of the jamming support they habitually get in exercises.

 

[nabil_05]

Some screenshots from the show

 

[asif iqbal]

beautiful congratulations to Pakistan on this huge achievement

indeed Block III production is under way at break neck speed

cant for it for it to be flying in PAF camo

add to that 2 x JF17B on each side

that would be a great fly past !

 

[Gloire_bb]

I don't see why being able to shoot at each other is mandatory for 'live combat'. The Super Hornet was credited with its first A2A kill when it shot down a defenseless 1960-era Syrian attack jet, which (AFAIK) was not carrying any AAMs.

Defenseless 1960s era Syrian attack jet managed to escape from aim-9x launch.
Which by all modern accounts should be next to impossible - sidewinder was launched within range. Yet it happened.

Turkish 2015 intercept of Russian Su-24 bomber brought up the fact that king is naked RuAF saved money on lower hemisphere launch warning apparatus.

And so on.

 

[FishWings]

"Combat" is the situation in general. That engagement took place in a war in which there were literally 10 different forces fighting each other at the same time. US, Syrian rebels, Syrian loyalists, Iraq, Turkey, Russia, ISIS, Hezbollah, Kurds, Israel.

While in the other engagement Pakistan splashed an Iranian drone that was annoyingly sent across our border. We're still brotherly countries. We're not engaged in "live combat" with the intent to kill. If this was an Iranian fighter, we wouldn't have shot it down, we would've sparred with it or forced it to land etc. I wouldn't credit this as a "combat kill" even if I was the pilot. All the other pilots would just laugh at me lolz.

Hey drones can pose a threat to fighter jets also. For example, a MQ-1 strapped with AIM-92s almost splashed an Iraqi MiG-25 during the 1990s IIRC. You can never know what Iranian drones might be armed with; could be anything from AKM, RPG-7, or R-73 lol.

In the days now, nations shooting down drones of other nations are usually at war, or are nearly at state of war. So it makes me happy to see Pak-Iran relations still characterized as brotherly.

Then again, maybe the general region is just more hectic at all times and everything is always in a state of elevated tensions. Pak army having artillery duels and ATGM exchanges with their Indian counterparts is just considered normal there haha.

 

[FishWings]

Defenseless 1960s era Syrian attack jet managed to escape from aim-9x launch.
Which by all modern accounts should be next to impossible - sidewinder was launched within range. Yet it happened.

I think that says more about the AIM-9X than anything else. The AIM-120(C?) which followed after worked as expected, after all.

 

[Mohsin77]

In the days now, nations shooting down drones of other nations are usually at war, or are nearly at state of war. So it makes me happy to see Pak-Iran relations still characterized as brotherly.

They are brotherly, but it's complicated... The problem is Baluch separatist groups which exist in both countries. These separatist groups have cross-border links with each other. That's why Iran sent drones into Pakistan, but Pakistan has problems with the same groups, which have hideouts in Iran. Moreover, some of these militant groups are funded and supported by India's RAW (which is why they also attack Chinese engineers to try and sabotage BRI.) Like I said, it's complicated.

In any case, this is off-topic.

 

[siegecrossbow]

 

[Overbom]

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So this is the draft budget submitted to the National Congress of Argentina. This doesn't mean that a contract has been officially signed but it is a clear signal that Argentina has selected JF-17.