Then why did you bother posting? Time will tell but if you want to speculate and talk nonsense like J-10D, it needs correcting. You think J-16 could be sold if Pakistan is interested just like type 054A. This is wrong and also needs correcting. Sure time will tell. But reason shows us enough to know you are wrong about J-16 and you shouldn't think about J-10D because so far such a thing just doesn't exist. It's like the Indians talking about how great their Rafale will be ... when they finally order it. But for 10 years it's been talk talk talk.
JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
Who said the 054A would not be for sale? If Pakistan has the funds to spare, even 052Ds might be made available.
The J16 is a different matter since it’s not entirely Chinese IP. If Pakistan wants Flankers, they will probably have to buy them from Russia. Although China would probably be willing to do after sale mods on them if Pakistan wants, to sub in Chinese radar and datalinks to allow the PAF to integrate what they want, and also allow the new Flankers to network with the rest of the PAF assets.
There were reports that the J10 was made available to the PAF, but was there any official announcement on an actual contract being signed?
Besides, a J10D with CFTs would strongly point to a more strike oriented version, which would tie back to what I was saying about the PAF wanting the J10 more for strike to take advantage of the greater range and payload over the JF17.
timepass
Brigadier
timepass
Brigadier
The notion of my statement was very clear..... we had almost same type statements about 054A which will never be sold ...bla ...bla...& time proved that wrong...I wish I could take out that posts.
LOL that's hilarious coming from you. I would say the fool is the person talking about J-10D with CFTs 
. Most of your posts are pure fantasy or unrealistically optimistic about Pakistan and China. We've given you good reasons why J-16 is not like Type 054A. Maybe some less than informed guy once said Type 054A will not be sold for xyz reasons but you shouldn't take that guy's words. We're giving you good reasons why J-16 is not the same. China does not want to piss Russia off for no reason. To make a few bucks selling J-16 when PLAAF is keeping production line at full productivity? No chance. Maybe in 10 years when neither Russia or China care that much about the platform anymore.
. Most of your posts are pure fantasy or unrealistically optimistic about Pakistan and China. We've given you good reasons why J-16 is not like Type 054A. Maybe some less than informed guy once said Type 054A will not be sold for xyz reasons but you shouldn't take that guy's words. We're giving you good reasons why J-16 is not the same. China does not want to piss Russia off for no reason. To make a few bucks selling J-16 when PLAAF is keeping production line at full productivity? No chance. Maybe in 10 years when neither Russia or China care that much about the platform anymore.Can we get back to JF 17. Enough of bickering over projects that even dont exist.
Pakistan has serious financing issues. It otherwise cannot afford to divert resources from JF 17 Blk III. If and when the next big ticket item comes it will be 5th Gen aircraft.
Amongst all packages discussed above only J 10 offers a realistic option, that too is far fetched given incremental increase in capabilities offered over existing platforms and money woes.
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Pakistan has serious financing issues. It otherwise cannot afford to divert resources from JF 17 Blk III. If and when the next big ticket item comes it will be 5th Gen aircraft.
Amongst all packages discussed above only J 10 offers a realistic option, that too is far fetched given incremental increase in capabilities offered over existing platforms and money woes.
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Aliph Ahmed
New Member
I do not think there is anything in Chinese inventory that Paksitan cannot get.
If an arrangement can be made to have a Russian engine (aircrafts are built around engines) installed on a PakChina aircraft. There should be no doubt that arrangement can me made for J-16s as well.
It all comes down to Pak finances and too many choices on Chinese products which keeps getting better and better.
I foresee Pak getting FC31s in due time and more blocks of Jf17s keep joining PAF with latest Chinese products (which might not be available to others).
Also, Pak do not need much range. Just enough to take care of targets up to 600 km inside Terrorist State of India. For the rest of Indian targets, Pak missiles will take care of. Adios.
If an arrangement can be made to have a Russian engine (aircrafts are built around engines) installed on a PakChina aircraft. There should be no doubt that arrangement can me made for J-16s as well.
It all comes down to Pak finances and too many choices on Chinese products which keeps getting better and better.
I foresee Pak getting FC31s in due time and more blocks of Jf17s keep joining PAF with latest Chinese products (which might not be available to others).
Also, Pak do not need much range. Just enough to take care of targets up to 600 km inside Terrorist State of India. For the rest of Indian targets, Pak missiles will take care of. Adios.
You are of course welcome to believe whatever you want but the extent of how much someone feels entitled to their ill-informed beliefs can be dangerous. Indian missiles can retaliate with more effectiveness owing to greater numbers if Pakistan were to "take care of" the "terrorist state".
We can definitely say that Chinese inventory access for Pakistan is definitely limited by a few concrete things such as prioritising production for delivery into China's own forces. If the rate of production for J-16 is 100/year and PLAAF wants all of that, I really doubt they will sell any to anyone regardless of alliance or profit. RD-93 is allowed onto JF-17 by Russia because they wanted those profits. It's really that simple. They are selling and supplying the engines. J-16 sale to Pakistan will give Russia exactly $0 profit per unit delivered to Pakistan. It uses WS-10 engines btw. So that's already not a fitting comparison which your argument is built on.
FC-31 may be built for PAF and could even be custom made for it if PLAN and PLAAF are have no plans of acquiring J-31. So future contract for FC-31 into PAF is not evidence for what you are claiming. J-20 is in Chinese inventory, it is also not approved for sale to any country at the moment because PLAAF cannot get them quickly enough and also quite possibly to protect confidential details of J-20. The same goes for every piece of high end weaponry, many of which are probably classified. While it seems that China trusts Pakistan a fair bit more than other potential customers who may share information and hardware with unfriendly nations, its inventory is restricted Pakistan by technology, production rates, and secrecy for classified technologies and weapons. All the things we hear about today like hypersonics, stealth bombers and UCAVs have been worked on for many years if not decades. These are already things China is comfortable leaking to the internet. I doubt Pakistan is able to access any disclosed things like J-20 let alone everything in Chinese inventory.
Aliph Ahmed
New Member
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Intelligence is an essential input to understand the underlying subtle interferences that pervades a comment.
Your first sentence said it all. Adios.
Intelligence is an essential input to understand the underlying subtle interferences that pervades a comment.
Your first sentence said it all. Adios.
This coming from a man who called the entire nation of India a "terrorist state". Honestly is it any wonder why you guys have so much tension. It takes two to create these hostilities. Your sentence quoted makes no sense. Stop pretending to be an intellectual with big words linked together that means nothing. It's not fitting for you.
Start by explaining how RD-93 sales to JF-17 is the same as J-16 sale to Pakistan? I already explained why your reasoning is incorrect. Another extra optimistic, out of touch with reality member cheerleading for a certain nation.
Also when you post something like Pakistani missiles can take care of India, expect it to be responded with similar arrogance. Don't get all upset when someone does bring you back to reality.
Keep thinking you can buy whatever you want from China like China is a sweat shop for weapons. Might want to focus those funds on actually making progress.