Japan spots Chinese Warships

Su-27 Pilot

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Jeff Head said:
Well, then here. Let's try and get it back on target. In a few short years...these Japanese ships may be spotted...two of them.

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Probably escorted by a Kongo and othjer JMSDF DDGs.

When will those Japanese have their own true naval forces call NAVY instead of naval self-defense corp.
Us military occupationl will be there for how long? As long as Japan exists ?? As long as the US wishes or Japan Wishes ??
 

Jeff Head

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Su-27 Pilot said:
When will those Japanese have their own true naval forces call NAVY instead of naval self-defense corp.

That is up to the Japanese people and their constitution.

Su-27 Pilot said:
Us military occupationl will be there for how long? As long as Japan exists ?? As long as the US wishes or Japan Wishes ??

Well, I certainly wouldn't call the current situation any kind of occupation. The US maintains a presence in Japan at a few bases...and that will go on as long as the Japanese people want it to I imagine, just like with the first question.

Right now the US and the Japanese are pretty strong allies.
 

bd popeye

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Jeff Head said:
Well, then here. Let's try and get it back on target. In a few short years...these Japanese ships may be spotted...two of them.

815841_001063171.jpg


Probably escorted by a Kongo and other JMSDF DDGs.

Now that's some stealth. I've seen that little red x as a ship several times thogh. Must be a common design;)

I don't know why that happens with pictures.

Until some of you guys turned into comedieans this was a good thread...Still is..good discussion.

Later this evening I'm going to see if I can ask someone..(my son)...about the Aegis system on JMSDF ships. I will let you guys know what he asid.
 

Sea Dog

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Su-27 Pilot said:
Sea Dog said:
Just for a break. Back on track here, and I agree on your points on US/UK brotherhood and everything, but do you think US and UK will provide aids to help China's civil/military fields ?? Making China a higher standard nation. Together with China and USA will bring a era of NEW peace and humanity.

First off Su-27 Pilot. I want to apologize to you for my previous post. It sounded sarcastic and combative and I didn't mean to have that tone. It was more a joke. And to your other question, I say yes. I believe the USA and the UK will help China if China cooperates in return. It would benefit us all in the long run. The USA and Chijna already benefit eachother economically. But as long as China proliferates some of her most dangerous weapons to unstable areas of the world, and the Taiwan situation exists, total cooperation is not in the near-term.

Another question you pose. Japan can ask the USA to leave at any time. But they never will. They don't want the USA out.
 

Jeff Head

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bd popeye said:
Now that's some stealth. I've seen that little red x as a ship several times thogh. Must be a common design;)

I don't know why that happens with pictures.

Hmmm...I'm seeing the DDH pic just fine. Try typing in this url---http://tuku.military.china.com/military/html/2005-10-11/20800.htm and clicking on the pictures
 

bd popeye

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I tried that. I can't se that page. Probaly some porn attatched to that website. My computer won't allow any sort of porn to be viewed. I like it like that!
 

Jeff Head

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bd popeye said:
I tried that. I can't se that page. Probaly some porn attatched to that website. My computer won't allow any sort of porn to be viewed. I like it like that!

Oh no...no porn at all. I am a very religious and happily married man and granpa, popeye, believe me when I tell you we agree on that issue.

It's a Chinese web site that hosts lots of military pics. Here's the main URL-http://tuku.military.china.com/military/html/index.html.

If there is anything bad there...I haven't seen it. It's all in Chinese.

I will get a copy of that Japanese DDH pic and host it on my own server and post iot so you can see it. Pretty mpressive.
 

MIGleader

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Sea Dog said:
I agree. I think it would be impossible to steal the entire technology behind AEGIS. It is quite likely that Chinese front companies were able to steal some of it though and incorporate it into their own crude designs. Chinese "AEGIS" wanna-be ships will never be as capable as American designs. There is so much built into the AEGIS architecture. And this technology is spread too far and wide throughout the U.S. defense infrastructure. You can't steal your way to the top.

The PLAN has shown alot of improvement, but they are barely trying to get "AEGIS" type of ships. IT takes years to make these things work, and get crews trained to force levels adequate to tackle real world naval missions. The USN has tens of millions of man-hours in experience in running these types of ships. I personally don't think the PLAN will ever catch up.

AND BTW, the USN will incorporate technologies beyond AEGIS with the new CGX and DDX designs. What most people forget when they talk of PLAN, is that the U.S. is not standing still. They're still moving forward very rapidly also.

so you think the chinse arnt capable of making a good system from the stolen tech? all they can do is use the basics? you underestimate them. thales probably helped them anyways.
lets say the pla gets 15 points every year
and u.s gets 10
the u.s starts out wit 100 and
the plan gets 30. the plan will catch up eventually.
 

Sea Dog

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MIGleader said:
so you think the chinse arnt capable of making a good system from the stolen tech? all they can do is use the basics? you underestimate them. thales probably helped them anyways.
lets say the pla gets 15 points every year
and u.s gets 10
the u.s starts out wit 100 and
the plan gets 30. the plan will catch up eventually.

At the current pace....not likely. The U.S. is heavily vested in it's own R & D in naval engineering and is currently going beyond AEGIS technology. This leaves PLAN in the dust. And PLAN lacks the actual experience in operating this equipment. The USN has tens of millions of man-hour experience operating this advanced type of hardware. PLAN has zero. PLAN is only trying to copy. And I'm telling you, you just can't copy an AEGIS like ship and throw 250 men on it, and say you have the AEGIS ships. If you think so, you're delusional. The Soviets in their heyday tried to copy tons of U.S. military hardware and failed miserably. They were very successful in their own designs however.

There is alot more to an American AEGIS ship than the missiles, sensors, and software. It is a totally integrated network capable of prosecuting aircraft, missile, surface, sub-surface, land, and ballistic missile targets simultaneously. They have time-sharing management protocols and cooperative engagement utility. Not to mention the integration with C4I. China cannot steal the system, nor can China steal her way to the top. The AEGIS like ships you see China producing now are crude copies of known naval hardware. Just because they have a PAR and missiles in a VLS configuration means nothing. Chinese naval engineering lags pretty far behind as is. I'm not putting down the PLAN, but if you look objectively, they are nowhere near the USA's naval capabilities, and will not catch up anytime soon.
 

Sea Dog

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Su-27 Pilot said:
Anytime soon ? NO. I believe give sometime for the PLAN to building its own. Time is the most important factor.

Yeah, but the thing you're not taking into consideration, is the USA is not just sitting still. They are pressing ahead also with newer and better technology all the time. China's trying to copy AEGIS ships. Meanwhile USN is going beyond the most advanced AEGIS technology currently in existence. Wait and see what's in the USN inventory in 2015.

There's no doubt the PLAN is improving. But the US would have to drop the ball for the PLAN to be able to catch up. Do you know how much money goes into US defense infrastructure from various sources?
 
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