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Why isn't the F-35 Lightning II a candidate for Japan's next fighter?

I think it's the one-engine-issue. Since Japan consists of islands and has to patrol wast spaces over the ocean the "two engines are more reliable here" argument is the major point. Though we already have seen (in a thread about PLAN carrier aviation) that it's not necessarily an important one.
Payload might also be a point.
Oh, and Japan probably wouldn't get the F-35 before 2015 or so, while the other aircraft are already available and operational.

Well, I personnally (what a surprise) would really appreciate the EF getting the order.
Interoperability shouldn't be a problem, regarding communication and weapons integration.
 

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They could have their own 5th generation fighter by now had the US not pressured years earlier to stop the development of the
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They could have their own 5th generation fighter by now had the US not pressured years earlier to stop the development of the F-2/FSX.

Are you not confusing yourself? The F-2 entered production and is in service, even if there were problems with it that limited orders.
 

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Yes, but I meant an indigenious fighter-
In October of 1987, Tokyo agreed to base its
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on the U.S. F-16 fighter as a compromise after Washington urged it to order US-made planes to help cut Japan's trade surplus with its biggest ally.
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I don't think the # of engines is crucial- the F-2 has only one, and with the twin-engined F-4/15J it's a good combination. I doubt they will get F-22 aside from cost/technology issues: let's not forget about possible Russian reaction- there is still no peace treaty, not to mention China & both Koreas! IMO they'll have to upgrade what they have, unless the
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IMO their NMD will be de-facto part of US NMD, as NK/PRC ICBMs/IRBMs will have to overfly northern Japan (or fairly close to it) if they were to target N.America, and Southern/Central Japan if they were to target
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. That will give more reason for targeting Japan BMD bases even if the main target is the US & their posessions!
The next post confirms this assertion!
 
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Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is thinking of lifting constitutional restraints on Japanese forces that would bar them for example from shooting down missiles aimed at the United States, Kyodo news agency said on Saturday. Abe, who wants to raise his nation’s international security profile, also wants Japan to be free to exercise the right to collective self-defence, that is to help an ally under attack.

Such acts are barred by the 1947 pacifist constitution. Under Article Nine, Japan renounces the right to wage war or to maintain a military, instead keeping only a self-defence force. Any move to revise Article Nine is likely to cause unease in China, Korea and other victims of Japan’s World War Two aggression.

In a move seen as a step towards revising constitutional interpretations that forbid collective self-defence, the government plans to set up an expert panel this month to study the issue. A government source quoted by Kyodo said Abe was thinking of allowing collective self-defence in certain situations, such as a ballistic missile attack on an ally such as the United States.

The expert panel would study this scenario as well as others, such as whether a Japanese vessel could counterattack if a warship of another nation with which it was sailing came under attack on the high seas, Kyodo added. Both situations would currently be seen as exceeding the bounds of self-defence allowed by the constitution.

Defence Minister Fumio Kyuma said on Friday that Japan had interpreted the self-defence clause too narrowly. “It is about time the issue is discussed,” Kyuma was quoted by Kyodo as telling reporters.

“The situation surrounding the right to collective self-defence is very different now compared to when the former Defence Agency was established and when the Japan-US security pact was forged in the 1950s”.
 
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BAE Systems, Europe's biggest arms manufacturer, is in discussions to license the manufacturing of the Euro*fighter jet to Japan's Mitsubishi Heavy if the aircraft wins an export competition worth tens of billions of dollars.

A purchase of the Euro*fighter Typhoon would signal a watershed for Japan, which until now has bought fighters only from the US, its closest military ally. But there is a growing sentiment among bureaucrats and politicians that Japan should collaborate more with European companies in order to have better access to cutting-edge technology.

Nigel Whitehead, group managing director of BAE's military air solutions, said yesterday that Japan had this year expressed an interest in buying a European fighter for the first time. "There is a sense of lost opportunity within the Japanese defence forces in the nature of the collaboration programmes they could be involved in beyond the confines of their relations with the US," Mr Whitehead told the Financial Times.

But analysts say cosying up to the Eurofighter consortium could be a ploy to press the US on price and access to highly sensitive technology. Japan's air force wants to buy the F-22 Raptor, built by Lockheed Martin, but current US law prohibits its export. Tokyo is also considering Lockheed's F-35 Lightning II, which is already on order with a number of foreign air forces, including the UK and Italy. Tokyo will also assess Boeing's F-15 Eagle and F-18 Hornet.

BAE is in discussions with Mitsubishi Heavy (MHI) about a progressive licence manufacturing agreement, Mr Whitehead said. "The idea is that we would transfer the ability to manufacture the aircraft to [Mitsubishi] and they could have the ability to upgrade and develop the aircraft themselves."

A delegation from Mitsubishi, which declined to comment last night, and the defence ministry travelled to the UK earlier this year to see the Typhoon's production site. Japanese pilots also tested the Typhoon, made by a consortium comprising BAE, EADS, the Franco-German defence group and Italy's Finmeccanica.

Japan needs to replace its fleet of 90 F-4 Phantoms, which went into service in 1971, and also plans to retire 200 F-15 fighters. The defence ministry is understood to be studying all available options and will make a final decision by early next year. The procurement deal could run to tens of billions of dollars. The attraction of the Typhoon is that Mitsubishi – which manufactures the F-15 under licence from Boeing – could continue developing its technological expertise by building a next-generation fighter. Transfers of F-35 technology could be more sensitive.

Takatoshi Hosoya, president of the Society of Japanese Aerospace Companies, Japan's biggest industry consortium, said yesterday that he would like to see greater links with European companies. "In terms of the size of business [the relationship with European aerospace companies] is still limited compared with US firms."
 

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But analysts say cosying up to the Eurofighter consortium could be a ploy to press the US on price and access to highly sensitive technology. Japan's air force wants to buy the F-22 Raptor, built by Lockheed Martin, but current US law prohibits its export. Tokyo is also considering Lockheed's F-35 Lightning II, which is already on order with a number of foreign air forces, including the UK and Italy. Tokyo will also assess Boeing's F-15 Eagle and F-18 Hornet.
I think that there is a lot of truth in this. Using this move, and having to make it very sincere in order to have the effect, to get the US to bargain better with them...and it will probably work.

Either way, the Japanese will benefit from it. They are very good at negotiation and planning.
 
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I think that there is a lot of truth in this. Using this move, and having to make it very sincere in order to have the effect, to get the US to bargain better with them...and it will probably work.

If Congress lifts the embargo and the US comes up with a fair price/deal, I'm sure the Japanese will place an order. That said they want to get it all "sorted" by early next year, so if the US government does want Japan to buy American they'll need to ensure the embargo is lifted before the end of this year - otherwise I don't think Tokyo will believe the US is serious about selling the F-22.

Otherwise I think Japan will go for Typhoon - I don't think they'll settle for Strike Eagle or the Super Hornet.
 

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Japan buying Typhoon will have serious repercussions for US-Jpn tie, so this will be more a politcal decision more than a military one. At most, Typhoon may be bought in small number as interim solution while waitting for F-22 export further down the road, rather than in numbers anywhere close to replacing F-15 or F-4. Even then, this scenario is remote.
 
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Japan buying Typhoon will have serious repercussions for US-Jpn tie, so this will be more a politcal decision more than a military one.

I disagree. US-Japan ties are not based on Japan buying all its equipment from America. Sure such deals have made relations even better, but buying from Europe would not create much (if any) trouble. For one thing, Japan has already bought more than a dozen EH101. Not as big a deal as the upcoming ASDF one, but it still shows they won't always buy American.

Tokyo has said it wants to make a decision on the F-4 replacement by early next year. That gives Washington plenty of time to lift the embargo if it wants to. If it doesn't want to or Congress doesn't want to lift the restrictions, then Japan waiting won't change anything. If something changed in the future by the time it wanted to replace the F-15, Japan could always buy a few alongside an order of F-35s.

But Japan won't wait because the US can't get its act together/is paranoid about selling the Raptor.
 
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