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siegecrossbow

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Calm, let's not get personal and political shall we?

This is yet another piece of news with conflicting info from both sides.

The highlighted part:
June 17th, two Chinese Su-30 which was patrolling in East China Sea ADIZ when two Japanese F-15 approached at high speed and even switched on the fire control radar. Chinese fighters countered with tactical maneuver and the Japanese fighter left after dumping flares.

Seems like both sides are trying to play the victim here.
I think we need more information before coming up with any conclusion.

What we know for certain:

1) The aircraft involved were Su-30s and F-15s.
2) The incident occurred near the Diaoyu Islands.
3) JSDF fighters released flares.

Many points from both accounts are actually consistent. What is actually disputed seems to be who is the actual aggressor in the incident.

Interesting, if JASDF had turned on the fire control radar as described then PLAAF should have it on flight recorder.
Wonder when why they haven't released it to the public yet.

I guess the same could be said about JSDF? Perhaps both sides were within visual range and neither actually used the fire-control radar. I don't think you need it to lock-on with IR missiles.
 

Janiz

Senior Member
I have see a new Corvette class about 2000 t successor of Abukuma, very close it is this LCS o_O
Well, the DX (or DEX) class should have greater displacement and much more units in the class (about 20 or something - that still needs any credibility). The new class should also take a part of JMSDF minesweepers fleet which will be reduced in the coming years by few units.

And Kaga should enter trials in a month or so with delivery to the JMSDF in the spring of next year. There are rumours about the next class of amphibious assault ships about the same size as their American counterparts. But we'll have to wait and see how it turn out in the coming years.
Maybe we'll never know about what actually happened.
I'm sure this will be the outcome ;)
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
I guess the same could be said about JSDF? Perhaps both sides were within visual range and neither actually used the fire-control radar. I don't think you need it to lock-on with IR missiles.
The Japanese government's official response is that it was just a near miss and the retired general never mentioned about PLAAF pilot tuning on his fire-control radar.
 

Brumby

Major
What we know for certain:

3) JSDF fighters released flares.

Many points from both accounts are actually consistent. What is actually disputed seems to be who is the actual aggressor in the incident.

I don't think you need it to lock-on with IR missiles.
I guess the obvious question is under what conditions would a fighter release flares. Would it be a defensive or offensive measure?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Flares are intended for Defence, a Counter to IR missile lock as they are meant to try and distract a short Range Air to Air or Ground to Air missile off the Engine heat of the host aircraft. I can't think of any realistic offensive use.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
AHH... I don't think that the Chinese Jets are trying to Hug the Japanese ones to death.... The only way they could be a danger is if the two aircraft are already virtually touching each other in which case they are both already a danger to each other.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
Are you implying something?
For your information for all it's worth, I wrote my post off memory from a news clip I read over a week ago.

As for you question here are the paragraphs that you questioned.

スクランブルをかけた空自機は中国機の周囲を大きく回り込み、後方から真横につけるポジショニングを試みた。中国機パイロットの顔が見える位置から信号射撃などを行い、退去を呼びかけるためだ。

The JASDF spot the PLAAF plane and scrambled to intercept the incoming plane.
Normally PLAAF would head back at XX°north longitude but this was not the case so the JASDF pilot tried to line up with the incoming PLAAF fighter maneuvering his plane in a large circle so not to be taken as an aggressive move and once lined up and able to make visual contact with the PLAAF pilot fire tracers but this did not happen since as the JASDF pilot was maneuvering his fighter the PLAAF pilot turned his fighter directly towards the JASDF fighter and placed his fighter into attack position.
The JASDF pilot not wanting to aggravate the situation launched flares and punched out from the direct location to avoid possible conflict.
The retired general goes on further stating that this kind of incident happened several time in June this year.

So no I did not leave out anything that actually happened only some parts that the JASDF pilot was intending to do subscribed within manual.

I was wondering about the Japanese words "後方" (backend) and "信号射撃" (shoot tracer round).

You translation is that JASDF pilot tried to line up with PLAAF fighter. I understand line-up means to put the two jets in parallel, not at one's backend (後方). So I am still wondering who was trying to go to whose backend? Doing so is aggressive, isn't it? Can you answer this?

The reason that I replied to your post was because it was only a part of what I gathered from Japanese media report, especially because your first post did not mention the keyword "backend". Until that is clear, I don't know whether I correctly implied something or misunderstood you.

You left a lot of the full event compared with the Japanese news report. If you wrote your post off your memory, then you failed to gather the full event. Either way, left out or fail to, the end result looks the same. That is maybe why you think I am implying something.
 
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taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
well, thats from Japanese side ... it does taste very salty :eek::p
actually, I still believe that the full Japanese report said that it was the JASDF pilot tried to turn to 6 clock to the PLAF jet before PLAF jet turned to 90 degree to the side of JASDF jet. In short, JASDF go aggressive move first.

This time, the Japanese media report actually said the truth, but SB failed to tell the whole picture in his first post and still not mentioning the "backend move" in his reply to me. All Japanese and Chinese understand the word "後方". I just want to clarify who was doing it according to the Japanese source.
 
More information from a microblog statement. Can someone trace the source for the alleged microblog statement?

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China strongly criticized Japan over a scramble of military aircraft from the two countries on Monday amid a dispute over islands in the East China Sea.

Two Japanese fighter jets took "provocative actions" at a high speed near a pair of Chinese fighter jets that were carrying out patrols in the East China Sea on June 17, China's defense ministry said in a micro blog statement on Monday, without specifying where exactly the incident took place.

The Japanese planes used fire-control radar to "light up" the Chinese aircraft, the statement added.
 
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