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As mentioned earlier JMSDF escort ships and sub is in the Philippines making port call.

Japan sub makes first call to Philippines in 15 years amid China tensions


A Japanese submarine made a port call in the Philippines, the first in 15 years, on Sunday in a show of growing military cooperation amid tension triggered by China's growing assertiveness in the South China Sea.

One of the newest and largest submarines in the Japanese navy, it was escorted into the former U.S. Navy Base at Subic Bay by two Japanese destroyers on a tour of Southeast Asia.

"This is just an exercise and the main objective is to train the officers," Captain Hiraoki Yoshino of Japan's Maritime Self-Defence Force told reporters.

"We don't have any message to any country," he said, adding the ship visits were aimed at boosting confidence between the Japan and the Philippines.

China claims almost all the South China Sea, where about $5 trillion of ship-borne trade passes every year. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan also have claims..... to read more

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SamuraiBlue said:

Japan's only desire in SCS is FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION since Japan has no claim nor ambition to the region.
The one who is disrupting the status quo is PRC who unilaterally made claim to the whole region as their sovereign territory which Japan cannot tolerate which is a highly utilized sea lane.
That is the reason for the 2007 statement which was targeted towards piracy which was also a big problem at the time.
If you can't see that then well I have nothing else to say since you are not going to accept fact no matter how straight forward they are.

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I have said in my post "put right or wrong aside", so I was not arguing whether Japan is right or wrong in getting involved in SCS. "FON" was not my concern or argument. Apparently you are arguing to a ghost, not to me.

My point was ONLY towards your previous claim that "the new radar installation has nothing to do with SCS". My point is that "it is very likely related" by providing the two links.

I suggest you read carefully what you are reading, and don't be carried away by your own sentiment.

taxiya said:

My point was ONLY towards your previous claim that "the new radar installation has nothing to do with SCS". My point is that "it is very likely related" by providing the two links.

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If your main argument is about cause and effect or action and reaction, then I agree with SB it is not about the SCS as islands and waters are inert. They themselves don't generate any threat. If you are insistent on the cause, the source is very obvious and that is with China's behaviour and how it has been exercising it.

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newest and largest submarines

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but very good a Oyashio

Brumby said:

If your main argument is about cause and effect or action and reaction

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No, that was not my argument. When you say action and reaction, you are saying action by (China/Japan) and reaction by the other side (Japan/China). When you say cause and effect, it has to mean Japan/China. It has to involve both countries.

I didn't mean that, read my post again. I specifically said leave the right wrong thing aside in order not to slide the discussion into the very situation that you and SB are talking or trying to drag into.

I was only to point out (objection to SB) the link between the radar installation (Japan) and the intension or motivation to get involved in SCS (by Japan). There is nothing related to China in my argument. I was only trying to remind SB that he can NOT reject the notion proposed by other members (not me) without reasonable fact or logical analysis, and apparently against facts (my provided links).

I don't need to continue with the rest of what you said as they are based on the assumption I just answered.

If you want to drag into cause and effect, go ahead yourself, but I am not with you.

taxiya said:

No, that was not my argument. When you say action and reaction, you are saying action by (China/Japan) and reaction by the other side (Japan/China). When you say cause and effect, it has to mean Japan/China. It has to involve both countries.

I didn't mean that, read my post again. I specifically said leave the right wrong thing aside in order not to slide the discussion into the very situation that you and SB are talking or trying to drag into.

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I have no idea what you are saying. Arguments are very simple to make. You lay out your premise and you draw a conclusion. I have no idea the nature of your contention, what is the associated premise if any, and certainly what you are concluding.

For example, cause and effect is an activity and is amoral and so it is a mystery to me why to you it is a statement about right or wrong that you have to specifically highlight.

taxiya said:

I was only to point out (objection to SB) the link between the radar installation (Japan) and the intension or motivation to get involved in SCS (by Japan). There is nothing related to China in my argument. I was only trying to remind SB that he can NOT reject the notion proposed by other members (not me) without reasonable fact or logical analysis, and apparently against facts (my provided links).

I don't need to continue with the rest of what you said as they are based on the assumption I just answered.

If you want to drag into cause and effect, go ahead yourself, but I am not with you.

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The orIginal assertion is that the radar activity is driven by or connected to events in the SCS (whatever that may be). If you or anyone wants to make that the assertion, it is not simply about providing some links and throw in some cryptic comments . Unfortunately this seems to be a common feature on this forum. How about if I tell you that you are wrong and I provide you with a link to "War and Peace" and the facts are in that novel?

SamuraiBlue said:

I haven't heard of the Taiwanese raise a voice over the radar site. So why should you care?
And has nothing to do with SCS so get off it.

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Sometimes one's silence is louder than anything one can say, such is the case here with Taiwan.

Yonaguni is right next to Taiwan and is fairly equidistant from Japan and the Philippines as I have pointed out in my previous post. The facts demonstrate that it is a military stepping stone and surveillance coverage link for Japan into the SCS.

The ECS, Pacific, and SCS are just arbitrary distinctions for reference when it comes to the swathes of these oceans which are next to each other such as the area where Yonaguni, Taiwan, and the Philippines are located. Oceans are made up of free flowing water so these oceans are actually contiguous where they meet.

PanAsian said:

Sometimes one's silence is louder than anything one can say, such is the case here with Taiwan.

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Well what you hear is my laughter towards such cockamamie scheme I had ever heard of.

Have you actually looked at a map very closely.
Tthe highest elevation on Yonaguni is around 150m on Ubedake which is the most likely site they will station the radar dishes on the NORTHERN side of the peak which will give an excellent panoramic view of the whole Western to Eastern NORTH side of the island.
Now IF Japan was to point the radar towards the SCS do you know the radar will see?
Nothing since the eastern ridge of Taiwan will block all view towards that direction.
Have you noticed how high the ridges are on the east side of Taiwan is?
They are around 1500m to 2500m making it useless to monitor the SCS even if Japan wanted.
It would be much easier if Japan funded money to the Filipinos to construct a radar site on their islands in which the Filipinos would accept with open arms.

Brumby said:

The orIginal assertion is that the radar activity is driven by or connected to events in the SCS (whatever that may be). If you or anyone wants to make that the assertion, it is not simply about providing some links and throw in some cryptic comments . Unfortunately this seems to be a common feature on this forum. How about if I tell you that you are wrong and I provide you with a link to "War and Peace" and the facts are in that novel?

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Although I'd say your example is a big stretch but it is the kind of thing I expected from SB's original post #1775 (why does he think so), but was absent. His original post was

And has nothing to do with SCS so get off it.

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Now, he has provided something in post #1789.

See what I was arguing?

First off the Kyotsujituki or the Rising sun flag is does not represent fascism.
The origin of design can be traced back to ancient past. The present Rasing sun flag was adopted by the IJN in 1870.

By the way have anyone ever read the meaning of Fascim?

Here is an entry within .

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describes fascism as "a genus of political ideology whose mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist ultranationalism".

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Griffin describes the ideology as having three core components: "(i) the rebirth myth, (ii) populist ultra-nationalism and (iii) the myth of decadence"

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Fascists believe that

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is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a

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as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.

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Such a state is led by a strong leader — such as a

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and a

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government composed of the members of the governing fascist party — to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.

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Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature, and views political violence, war, and

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as means that can achieve natonal rejuvenation.

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Sounds much more closer to CPC's definition if you ask me.