Japan arrests Chinese fishing boat captains (Aug 2011)

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
I agree with bladerunner,

Nosh, each and every incident have its own circumstance and outcome to make it unique. However there is merit in a comparison or use of it as a foundation for discussion. Because, if if it is a purely what you believe vs what I believe discussion, how far can it go?

Thanks for those words of wisdom Letz.

Assumingthe photograh that jeff provided, was taken not long after the incident,it shows quite a few boats in the area. So a person on those boats rather than officialdom could have alerted Reuters.
 
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Red___Sword

Junior Member
Personal prediction, how the hell did the issue "work out":

1. Legally speaking, to "detain" and if further, to "trail" some illegal fishers, is an legal (sovereignty) action of a country. While Russia and SK might "close one eye" for Japan to do the busting over high sea, they would not happy if legal issues getting involved at the overlapping EEZ.

2. Since point 1, you (Japan) are in an awkward situation to getting any further down the road any time soon, time passes, people (human) got physical needs. You detained they, you keep them alive (if not healthy) - and as some previous post cited, Japan even having legal problems to port these two ships at any Japanese port... you are in a hell of trouble if Chinese citizens dies on your watch.

3. These Chinese fishers are screwed like I said in post #25, your motherland can not watch you up at that spot of chaotic water called sea of japan... So Chinese officials would quickly response (if not fully agree) any "agreement" Japanese counterpart is putting on the table, as long as preventing situation getting any f*cked up (MIGHTY netizen power, from both country, you can't ignore that!)


So... I guess it ends up with a Chinese characteristic farewell: “下不为例.” ("No next time.") like what news shows to us.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
So... I guess it ends up with a Chinese characteristic farewell: “下不为例.” ("No next time.") like what news shows to us.

I've heard China say "no next time" lots of times. But there's always a next time. Is China ever going to make good its threats (to the US over arms sales to Taiwan, to other countries when their fishermen get detained, etc) and actually draw attention to what it's doing?
 
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plawolf

Lieutenant General
I've heard China say "no next time" lots of times. But there's always a next time. Is China ever going to make good its threats (to the US over arms sales to Taiwan, to other countries when their fishermen get detained, etc) and actually draw attention to what it's doing?

So when exactly did China say 'no next time' to another country and what exactly did China threaten as the consequences?
 

Red___Sword

Junior Member
I've heard China say "no next time" lots of times. But there's always a next time. Is China ever going to make good its threats (to the US over arms sales to Taiwan, to other countries when their fishermen get detained, etc) and actually draw attention to what it's doing?

Mr.T, it appears that you have a dying wish to derail this topic into something (from the looks of it) very flaimebite.... I am game.

First, you didn't fully understand the situation I described. It was the japanese who (would, in a sense) say "no next time" in this scenario. They have no other better options than release the fishers without any legal charges, as I depicted at #52. It was my prediction, but with reasonable logic, and the reality shows some clues. The humorous "no next time" saying would be THE ONLY THING that makes japanese seeing like they are "enforcing" something in this case.

I personally appreciate the outcome, it was a non-bash co-operation between this two countries which "things could getting very ugly, for both sides" if othervise.

Second, with totally nothing to do with this topic, you would like to remind us that China historically made a lot of "threats", to whomever consider "threatened", while nothing actually happens in the end. Did I dipicted your opinion right?

The Chinese characteristic "No next time" oral-warning did happens a lot in domestic scenarios, where power corrupts and bad guys getting away from justice, with merely this symbollic sentence to side-note the discontent social situation.

As of the "threats" you emphasis over international community, I once in some other thread talked about this in an cultual angle rather than anything else:

China don't do the warning "business"; China do warning right. (depicted from KFC conmercial, "We do chicken right")

What I trying to say, is that most of your day-to-day readings of "China made a warning on this today, China made a warning on that yesterday..." were nothing but YOUR OWN media's eye-catching-sales-trick, that "Hey Everyone! The big fat bad red panda, has made a futile move again!" Cultually, China is very conservative to actually giving warnings, because she keeps her words, by her best, everytime.

But bad guys did get away from time to time, like I said above, when it comes to (i.e.) China-US dealing, of which defacto the two most heavy weight player across the globe, and in particualr you mentioned TW military sales ("sale" with an "s"). I would like to call for sober minds for the following "characteristic" of such Sino-US trade of words (and anything else):

- US used to be don't freaking bother what PRC said and "warned", and conduct what it deemed fit as if typical wild wild west spirit... US nowadays "consult" with PRC more than any other times, any other ones...

- Before anything actually happening during TW military sales, US used to don't bother what stuff it sales to TW, and now they bothers a lot of what to (or not to) sale, and make efforts to let PRC knows (if not defaults)

- We all know under some funny close door dealing with PRC rather than ROC, US sold something potent enough on the battlefield (like AIM120s), to ROC, while took their money, and still "shelfs" the goods at US warehouse, half earth away. SOLE hegemony usually don't do this, but it happens anyway.

Last, you got me Mr. T, China and Chinese dose got nothing better to do, when US have it her own way, rather than "accumulate the anger". I remember US dose being called as world hegemony undisputablly.

But who's "threatening" around?

You want add salt to the wound that "See, China do lipservice sometimes, too." - I don't have a dying wishe to suicide with a noodle rope to hang mayself, or with toufu to hammer my head, or jump the ledge from 2nd floor, or chock myself with oolong tea... (all Chinese characteristic humor, lipservices) because of "you got me".

What can we say? We look into the future.
 
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