J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31

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antiterror13

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Mekconyov said:
Most likely by 2035 J-20A/S would be 500, same would be true for J-35. J-20 would be used for training only. If it turns to successful in operation and performance than 1000+ J-35A would be exported to other air forces. J-36, J-50 And their UAVs would be operationally active by 2035, hopefully.
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If J-20A (with WS-15) started mass produced in 2026 for 50 units and increased gradually to 125-50 units in 3-4 years. In 2035 J-20A would be well over 500, likely 800 to 1,000.

Remember there are about 300-400 J-20 already in service, which is very advanced already, arguably the most advanced in the world after J-20A (some people may not agree and arguing with F-22 and F-35)
 
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Mekconyov said:
Is it not too early? China would not indulge so quickly to export it. PLAAF may evaluate it, improve it and insure it's ready for mass deployment. Then comes the export . IMHO J-35A is still in early production, testing and evaluation phase. Initial operational induction has just started and is going on. J-35A has not been fully inducted yet. It may take 1-2 years at least.
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FC-31, which serves as basis for J-35 and J-35A is designed for foreign export for over a 13 years. It is purposely designed for export with PLA interest occuring afterwards, not before. So, I don't think PLA needs to induct it before export, the PLA didn't even induct the JF-17/FC-1 aircraft before exporting it to Pakistan, and still hasn't inducted it. So there is a precedence for this.
 
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TK3600 said:
Most likely J-35A will outnumber J-20 down the line, by a big margin. J-20 is still considered as elite heavy fighter, while J-35A is expected to be a work horse of 5th gen. Rumor has it J-35AE might be better geared than J-35A, because the air force wanted to cut down on cost to make it the backbone of air force.

Some times in the future, say 2035, 6th gen is still low in number, J-20 might be in the 800s, while J-35 well over a thousand.
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J-20 has been produced at a fast pace of 100+ a year and there's no reason to think J-20A will be targeting a significantly lower production pace going forward. It seems unlikely that J-35A will be produced at a significantly faster pace than even that, 150+ airframes a year doesn't really seem like it's going to happen at the moment. So there doesn't seem to be much reason to believe that J-35A will outnumber J-20 by 2035.

Put another way the PLAAF isn't really treating the J-20 like some kind of elite heavy fighter that is only produced in small numbers with the bulk being other types (sort of like the Su-57 vs flanker derivatives in past years). They've clearly produced J-20 as the bulk of the production for a few years now. This being the case even if J-35A production scales up dramatically it's not going to overtake J-20 in numbers. The only way that can happen is if J-20 production stops or scales down a lot while J-35A production keeps going but that's probably not in the cards by 2035.
 
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ENTED64 said:
J-20 has been produced at a fast pace of 100+ a year and there's no reason to think J-20A will be targeting a significantly lower production pace going forward. It seems unlikely that J-35A will be produced at a significantly faster pace than even that, 150+ airframes a year doesn't really seem like it's going to happen at the moment. So there doesn't seem to be much reason to believe that J-35A will outnumber J-20 by 2035.

Put another way the PLAAF isn't really treating the J-20 like some kind of elite heavy fighter that is only produced in small numbers with the bulk being other types (sort of like the Su-57 vs flanker derivatives in past years). They've clearly produced J-20 as the bulk of the production for a few years now. This being the case even if J-35A production scales up dramatically it's not going to overtake J-20 in numbers. The only way that can happen is if J-20 production stops or scales down a lot while J-35A production keeps going but that's probably not in the cards by 2035.
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I dont think we have seen 100 J-20 a year yet. In fact we may see production slow down as Chengdu move on to drones, 6th gens, and retool to WS-15 based air frames.

J-20 as elite air superiority fighter might take a back seat as the battle contesting the sky becomes certain, and we move on to how to win harder with more multi-role oriented J-35A that is easier to produce in greater number. At some point we have J-20A in around 800 in service that completely dominate whatever adversary can bring in a fight, and the effort reach diminishing return.
 
Neurosmith

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Deino said:
Rumourtime again (from the same guy who told be the Y-15 would fly soon, the 3rd J-36 is ready ...):



Also hints were made here, but I'm not sure how credible this is:

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Huitong claims that the first customer of the J-35AE is likely Pakistan. With regard to UAE, I'm not sure how China would feel about selling its 5th-gen platform to a close US ally, although China has had a track record of selling stuff to more sketchy nations.
 
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Neurosmith said:
Huitong claims that the first customer of the J-35AE is likely Pakistan. With regard to UAE, I'm not sure how China would feel about selling its 5th-gen platform to a close US ally, although China has had a track record of selling stuff to more sketchy nations.
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Chins is not going to deliver unfinished J-35A to Pakistan. It has a huge market for J-35A like 1000-10K from 2029-50. It would deliver a fully tested and validated J-35A. Chinese would never wreck their golden chance.
 
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Neurosmith

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Mekconyov said:
Chins is not going to deliver unfinished J-35A to Pakistan. It has a huge market for J-35A like 1000-10K from 2029-50. It would deliver a fully tested and validated J-35A. Chinese would never wreck their golden chance.
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What makes you think the J-35A in its current state is unfinished?
 
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Mekconyov said:
It is going through testing, evaluation, validation and would proceed to initial induction. Later on would go to operational regiments.
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What kind of nonsense is this?

J-35 is already in operational regiments. I would seriously advise you to not post for a while and read through these threads before you post again.
 
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