J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

Yeah, at this point there is simply no way for the US to protect Taiwan militarily if China really threw the kitchen sink at the problem. The only thing staying China's hand is the fact that Taipei is smart enough not to provoke the dragon and the fact that the economic fallout would be very costly for China. The US+EU+JP+SK+AZ/NZ/CA combo is still well more than >2X China's economic size and most of China's exports go to those countries.

That's why China is simply trying to wait this one out until it gets even stronger (economically, as militarily they are already strong enough).

AndrewS said:

As mentioned previously, there will still be enough J-20s operating to blast a hole through the air defences.
That allows strike aircraft and munitions to get through

Plus 400,000 aimpoints is more than enough for repeated strikes lasting over a month. Plus that is enough time to start ramping up production. How many targets do you expect there to be?

Remember that even the US only has 250K JDAMs in stock

The way I see it is that Japan is just a larger version of Taiwan

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To steer this conversation back towards J-20 related discussion, I'll say that actual fighters/UCAVs will also be able to perform defensively, while suicide UAVs are only able to function in an offensive role.

You can't seriously expect that there will be no return fire from the adversary when you're showering them with slow flying drones, heck Japan based fighter jets can probably complete a strike mission towards coastal China, come back and the shaheds will still be flying towards Japan.

J-20s with loyal wingman will allow flexibility in both offense and defense, while also providing the critical speed which are not provided by slow flying low-cost UAVs. With ample warning a simple shift in location is all that's needed to defend equipment against a GPS based attack from drone swarms, yet if you install sensors, they will no longer be low cost.

Please get back on topic with j20 rather than drone swarming.

AndrewS said:

The assumption is that China will have a large numbers of missiles and drones which can reach Japan.

For example, the Shaheed-136 loitering munition has more than enough range to reach Japan and is supposedly only $20K
If an F-35/J-20 is at least $80Mn, then you could buy 4000 of these instead for the cost of a single J-20.

So for the cost of 10 J-20: you could buy 40,000 Shaheed-type munitions instead
With 100 J-20: you could buy 400,000 munitions

Saturating Japan is perfectly feasible with these sorts of numbers

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That depends on whether your goal is to momentarily disable Japanese assets or to establish more permanent control over their air space to prevent regeneration of assets. Missile strikes don’t perm-kill everything. I don’t think the PLA *needs* to establish air control over Japan’s air space but I do think all this talk of depending on missiles misses that while missiles are powerful offensive assets there a lot of things that they can’t do well or efficiently that you still need to consider for war planning.

Five more.

A few more for the weekend. The last image shows one blue flame and one red flame.

I wonder if J20 fly at airspace scanned by S400. Does S400 transmit J20 data to russia !!!

MrCrazyBoyRavi said:

I wonder if J20 fly at airspace scanned by S400. Does S400 transmit J20 data to russia !!!

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What??

MrCrazyBoyRavi said:

I wonder if J20 fly at airspace scanned by S400. Does S400 transmit J20 data to russia !!!

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One week ban for being random and non-constructive.

Can people here please take some time to write out their thoughts in full sentences if they have a question, and perhaps consider whether their question is even worth asking or if they are just expressing a stream of consciousness thought.

lol that post reminds me of the "what Russian army doing" meme