Given the context of the rest of the thread, I think that's just unfortunate and awkward phrasing.
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You're all nuts.
This whole thing started when a kid yelled that admiring the Raptor is like "jerking off to an old granny photo."
All I said was that the Raptor should be given due respect, and that's something all 3 of you actually agree with, as even Manqiangrexue and ZeEa5KPul know that it's a brilliant machine.
This has nothing to do with whether the Raptor is still the best, or how it compares to the J-20. No one, not even Patchwork would have all the details to make such comparisons concrete (at best they would be estimates), as both sides of the equation are highly classified.
Therefore, this is all OT and doesn't even belong on this thread, starting with the guy who's talking about jerking off to grannies !
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Just for the last post, not the first few.
They usually quit the forum.
Well, if your reading comprehension was so awesome, you'd see that you worded it in a way that can be interpreted to mean the opposite of what you intended. If I say, "I can't think of anyone else who ate at Taco Bell who also got sick." It very much can mean that they all didn't get sick and I did. Your sentence, aside from you intended meaning, also can mean that you dissented from your colleagues in their opinion. If you wanted to write your sentence in an unambiguous way, you could just take out the "also."
I just wanted you to clarify that because it was my first interpretation.
The somehow is because you worded it in an ambiguous way. But that's fine now.
I don't sell my soul to the devil for any amount.
Ok, if it's not considered an intelligence breach in the US for a (former) intelligence analyst to publish his and his colleague's conclusions based on classified data on the internet, that's cool with me.
And how is it proven that you know what you are talking about or that your career was as you said it is? What did you say in your previous posts would prove it other than your claims which are already made in this thread?
Ok, I see and now I'm saying that the privileged information that you think is correct, very well may not be, as we have seen in public examples of US intelligence's previous gaffs on the J-20.
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Of course it's not silly, it's the correct position to take. You can believe that statement is true or its negation, which put explicitly states that the US government knows nearly everything or absolutely everything about the J-20. I find that unlikely just on prior probability. All I know about the American intelligence apparatus is what it presents to the public, and what it's presented has been laughably wrong, e.g. the assessment of the J-20's readiness and the whopper that was WMDs in Iraq.
Unless you're willing to be more specific, you've knocked out the only supporting strut a reasonable person could give your argument. The J-20 is a newer platform built from the ground up with the purpose of taking on the F-22, from what's visible externally the J-20 has a richer sensor suite (the F-22 doesn't even have an IRST), the program is far more active than the F-22, China's air combat munitions are at or exceeding the level of the US (does the US have AAMs with dual pulse motors like the PL-15? Does the F-22 field the Meteor?). I don't think the F-22's radar can do anything the J-20's cannot (CETC is perfectly capable of producing these electronics at the highest level), or at the very least that it has a trick up its sleeve that will turn the fight in its favour consistently. I'm sure you don't buy the crap that canards ruin RCS or the J-20 isn't VLO.
The only thing I can unreservedly give the F-22 is the engines. If you say that doesn't matter then what gives the F-22 the edge?
From how cagey you're being, I'm going to guess that this has something to do with some radar optimization the F-22 has (the "trick" I referred to in the preceding paragraph). Cool, at some point in the future - if it hasn't already happened - CETC writes a firmware upgrade and hey, wouldn't ya know it, the J-20's got some tricks of its own.
I'm afraid I don't get the idiom.
You're just now getting this?
It began as a typical day at SDF...
My position exactly. He seems confident that the J-20 is inferior to the F-22 at air combat, even if it gets the WS-15. Since I give his opinion a lot more weight than the typical rando, I want to know the basis for his judgement. "Trust me, bro" doesn't do it for me, even from someone like him.
Still, from what he's written (and what he dismissed), I think I know more about this than I did.
Welcome to SDF, I'm sure you'll have a great time here.
Okay, I have no idea what the evaluations the US DoD has published on the J-20, but using the WMD example is absurd on its face. That isn't a mistake on the IC's part, that is a politically fabricated fiction created to build concensus in the American, and more broadly the American-aligned, public so that they could support the war in Iraq. That wasn't a mistake, it was a lie. To present that as an example of the ineptitude of the American IC is laughable.
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They have that annoying habit of asking questions and not just accepting dictation.
I know rite lolz
Well, he's confident because that's his actual job. However, the conclusions his team has compiled would be estimates based on the intel they've gathered on the J-20 via espionage and analysis. Still, no one on his team would seriously claim they know 100% that all their intel is correct. But at least he would have verified data on the F-22, so he has more data on this than us.
Either way, platform vs platform debates aren't allowed on this thread, are they? Nor do they matter that much in the grand scheme of things, because what matters more is platform employment in a system vs system game.
.... All I'm really saying is that admiring raptors is NOT like jerking off to grandmas !!
Bummer.
You sure you don't want to leak some classified documents to us? At this rate we're going to be less informed than the Warthunder forums.
Oh well, I guess we'll have to wait for Gaijin to release the F-22 in-game to get the good stuff.
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