J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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Blitzo

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Any twin seat J-20 would make me lose some (a lot of) faith in its computing and sensor fusion. When is a second pilot ever necessary for a stealth fighter tasked with exploiting its VLO mainly for air superiority? J-20 doesn't look like it's a good low altitude, low speed strike aircraft. Unless that second pilot is helping the control of autonomously directed drones, any requirement for one should be easily resolved with computing.

I did write an article about this last month actually.

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In short, the answer is basically that no matter how much automation or computing power you have, the human is still the limiting factor in choosing what to focus on and what priorities and roles and decisions are made.
A single seat J-20 might be able to do the A2A role and the battle management role both well individually, but doing both at the same time might be more difficult. A twin seat J-20 otoh can do both the A2A role and the battle management role both at a hundred percent.
 

stannislas

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Re: stannislas: I'm talking 2027 timeframe, by which laser technology could have come a long way. If the PLAAF goes with the laser pod approach, we might be looking at a baseline of 4 km range (linear scaling).
Well, you probably haven't realized the impact of technology involved, let me put this way, next-gen energy storage is regarded as the technology that might trigger the next industrial revolution. If us human could reach such a high energy density, we could easily put on a cyber brain and turn us into cyborg/android or whatever, in comparison, laser air defense is child play.

So, no I don't see any hard-kill energy directional weapon be practical on any aircraft, not J-20, not F-35 by 2027, or even not a 6th-gen fighter by 2050 if there is no groundbreaking innovation happened.

As for the F-22, the F-22 can carry the same missile payload as an F-35, despite costing a lot more. The J-20 can likewise carry the same missile payload as an F-35, but it's still a heavier platform at the very least and likely a more expensive platform, especially if the RMB continues to appreciate (around 5% so far this year).
yes, but this has nothing to do with or without the "micromissle", J-20 and F-22/F-35 are in the "price exchange" regardless of the "micromissle". The solution should be something like increasing production so J-20 got cheap, not put on more fancy toys to make everything more expensive.
 

silentlurker

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But then again, if they initially went with a plan of no trainer variant and through these few years came to the conclusion their initial assessment was wrong and trainer IS preferred - then I guess anything is possible

My question is, why does the J-20 need a trainer variant? Is its flight dynamics so different it needs a dedicated trainer? I do not think so.
 

Blitzo

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Sorry, I don't mean a trainer variant, rather the F-35 has many that are used only for training. They are not combat-coded and won't be used as combat aircraft.

A dedicated trainer variant for 5th gen shouldn't be necessary imo. Advanced trainers/LIFT and simulators should provide effective training before a twin seater.

Non-combat coded aircraft exist for all types, including F-22s, and including 4th gen aircraft (single and two seaters both). Their role isn't for training of pilots necessarily in the traditional sense of the word, but developing advanced tactics, integration of new subsystems or weapons, and writing the book and developing leading edge knowledge of the operations and the maintainance and day to day needs of the aircraft type.
 

stannislas

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Sorry, I don't mean a trainer variant, rather the F-35 has many that are used only for training. They are not combat-coded and won't be used as combat aircraft.
...I think the word to describe such an issue on F-35 is "corruption" or "fraud" ...

Lockheed produced like 200 unaccomplished, in testing, and unable to combat aircraft for the USAF, and use the extra money to finish their already over-budget project. When the problem finally fixed, the USAF come back to Lockheed to ask for the upgrade for the first 200 F-35s into combat-ready, they then asked for more money.

So it's not USAF ordered many F-35 "trainer"s, but rather they paid the price for fighter jets but got a bunch of "training only" junks.
 

silentlurker

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I mean preproduction/first production run planes are commonly used as trainers/non-combat layout since they might not have all the features ready yet. What's your source that there were 200 of them?
 
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