J-15 carrier fighter thread

[Axyan]

Hello everyone,

I'd like to discuss an issue regarding the J-15. The J-15 has a major flaw: its 3x2 pylons, including the wingtip ones, are located on the outer, folding section of the wings. This means the J-15 cannot be armed with weapons unless its wings are unfolded, which severely impacts deck operational efficiency. In contrast, aircraft like the F/A-18 series and the F-35C have most of their hardpoints on the non-folding section. This results in the J-15 having only 6 "quick-load" hardpoints available in its folded state: the 2 under-intake pylons, 2 wing-root pylons, and 2 centerline fuselage pylons, in addition to the 6 non-quick-load pylons on the folding wing sections.

Furthermore, there's another issue: the non-folding wing-root pylons can interfere with the main landing gear, imposing restrictions on the shape of the munitions.

However, I recently saw a diagram showing that the J-15T (the catapult-capable variant) has further reduced the width of its folded airframe from 7.4m (on the Su-33/J-15) to 7.1m. Doesn't this exacerbate the problem? Is this diagram authentic? What could be the reason for such a modification?

 

[by78]

Just a cool image, nothing more.

 

[Alfa_Particle]

More vague hints on the fate of the naval WS-10:


I'd like to think that it's "nailed" as in "it'll come soon," but if he meant a "nailed" as in for the figurative coffin of the WS-10H I'll promptly see myself out.

 

[oleracea]

板上钉钉just means ws10 will certainly come. Like you already put the nails in, can’t change it now.

 

[Alfa_Particle]

板上钉钉just means ws10 will certainly come. Like you already put the nails in, can’t change it now.

I know the Chinese saying, just cautious of that off-chance of it being the nails of the coffin.

 

[4Tran]

Hello everyone,

I'd like to discuss an issue regarding the J-15. The J-15 has a major flaw: its 3x2 pylons, including the wingtip ones, are located on the outer, folding section of the wings. This means the J-15 cannot be armed with weapons unless its wings are unfolded, which severely impacts deck operational efficiency. In contrast, aircraft like the F/A-18 series and the F-35C have most of their hardpoints on the non-folding section. This results in the J-15 having only 6 "quick-load" hardpoints available in its folded state: the 2 under-intake pylons, 2 wing-root pylons, and 2 centerline fuselage pylons, in addition to the 6 non-quick-load pylons on the folding wing sections.

Furthermore, there's another issue: the non-folding wing-root pylons can interfere with the main landing gear, imposing restrictions on the shape of the munitions.

However, I recently saw a diagram showing that the J-15T (the catapult-capable variant) has further reduced the width of its folded airframe from 7.4m (on the Su-33/J-15) to 7.1m. Doesn't this exacerbate the problem? Is this diagram authentic? What could be the reason for such a modification?

I don't think that the PLAN thonks this is much of a problem. It might hurt sortie rates a bit but the sortie rates on Liaoning and Shandong are already pretty decent. In any case I'd much rather get inro a fight with J-15Ts rather than Super Hornets.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

I know the Chinese saying, just cautious of that off-chance of it being the nails of the coffin.

Uh no?

To be specific, the idiom 板上钉钉 means something has already been decided or fixed upon, which is always used as positive or neutral terms. It's not the same as the phrase "nail in the coffin", which means something is doomed/certain to fail or end in bad ways.

In fact, in the Chinese-speaking realm, I have never seen anyone using the 板上钉钉 in negative ways. If anything, the English correspondence to 板上钉钉 would be "set in stone" or "the die is cast", whereas the Chinese correspondence to "nail in the coffin" would be 致命打击 or 催命符.

 

[lcloo]

这个已经板上钉钉了。

This is ALREADY nails in the wooden plank. Meaning "It's done."

The opoosite would be 这个已经棺上钉钉了。棺 refers to coffin, i.e. the end.

 

[sunnymaxi]

Uh no?

To be specific, the idiom 板上钉钉 means something has already been decided or fixed upon, which is always used as positive or neutral terms. It's not the same as the phrase "nail in the coffin", which means something is doomed/certain to fail or end in bad ways.

In fact, in the Chinese-speaking realm, I have never seen anyone using the 板上钉钉 in negative ways. If anything, the English correspondence to 板上钉钉 would be "set in stone" or "the die is cast", whereas the Chinese correspondence to "nail in the coffin" would be 致命打击 or 催命符.

so it means WS-10 with J-15T has finalized ?? right.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

so it means WS-10 with J-15T has finalized ?? right.

I wouldn't say finalized, though I would say that (based on @Oneninety's words) the WS-10H(2) powering the J-15Ts/DTs is an absolute certainty, going forward.