J-11 to J-19 aircraft INSIDER INFORMATION (from CJDBY)

SinoSoldier said:

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1092699-1-1.html

Development of J-11 jets to J-19 jets are as follows:

1): F -11: Chinese-developed Su-27SK variant. (Shenyang)
2): J -12: Cancelled single engine interceptor. (Nanchang)
3): J -13: Cancelled 1971 single engine fighter. (Shenyang)
4): J-14: Cancelled twin engine fighter. (Chengdu)
5): F -15: Upgraded carrier-based J-11B. (Shenyang)
6): J -16: Upgraded J-11BS strike fighter, comparable to the latest F-15K. (Shenyang)
7): J -17: Heavy fighter-bomber stealthy variant of the J-11B, similar to the Su-34. (Shenyang)
8): J -18: Heavy stealth carrier-based fighter (developed from J-15). (Shenyang )
9): F -19: Heavily upgraded J-11B 5th-generation variant. To serve alongside the J-20. (Shenyang)

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Why do you get your J and F designations mixed up? In 8) you said J-18 is developed from "J-15", but in 5) you wrote F-15....??? Also, is there "F" designation in Chinese military aircraft at all ?!! It doesn't make any sense.


Also it seems I am correct at assuming the chinese aviation designers are still digesting their own lessons learn from J-10. J-14 is developed from J-10. While the rest are developed from Su-30 MKK.

Also, J-18 and J-19 seems to be duplicates. They are just too similar and I will bet one of them (or maybe both) will get drop eventually. Actually, J-16 and J-17 are too similar too. Both long-ranged fighter-bomber and both developed from J-11B.

J-15 and J-18, I think J-15 will eventually be merge with J-18 too. PLAAF will probably get few prototype of J-15, but opt to wait for J-18 to come out.

Asymptote said:

Why do you get your J and F designations mixed up? In 8) you said J-18 is developed from "J-15", but in 5) you wrote F-15....??? Also, is there "F" designation in Chinese military aircraft at all ?!! It doesn't make any sense.


Also it seems I am correct at assuming the chinese aviation designers are still digesting their own lessons learn from J-10. J-14 is developed from J-10. While the rest are developed from Su-30 MKK.

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"J" translates to "F" in English.

It's nothing.

J-16, J-17, and J-19 are all based on the J-11B, not Su-30MKK. J-16 may use some Su-30MKK influence, but the basis is the J-11BS.

twin engine J-10 is just a proposal.
according to US, during the technical evaluation, J-10 lack sufficient range, while carrier JH-7 was also rejected.therefore PLAN opt for J-15.
the text do not mention J-21, according to aviation week, is F-35 type aircraft.

Asymptote said:

Why do you get your J and F designations mixed up? In 8) you said J-18 is developed from "J-15", but in 5) you wrote F-15....??? Also, is there "F" designation in Chinese military aircraft at all ?!! It doesn't make any sense.


Also it seems I am correct at assuming the chinese aviation designers are still digesting their own lessons learn from J-10. J-14 is developed from J-10. While the rest are developed from Su-30 MKK.

Also, J-18 and J-19 seems to be duplicates. They are just too similar and I will bet one of them (or maybe both) will get drop eventually. Actually, J-16 and J-17 are too similar too. Both long-ranged fighter-bomber and both developed from J-11B.

J-15 and J-18, I think J-15 will eventually be merge with J-18 too. PLAAF will probably get few prototype of J-15, but opt to wait for J-18 to come out.

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I agree with you too. Way too many variants doing roughly similar things, which is a big FAIL from many standpoints: structural, tactical, and especially economical. With this amount of variants, it's going to cost so much money, but I assure not much going into production. Such an airforce is way too expensive to maintain, and by strategic and tactical/operational standpoints, it will be a mess. Even if using a high-low strategy, developing all these planes, not to mention putting an effective quantity of each into service, is like a giant suction out of the budget and asking to raise the PRC's budget significantly to a monster appetite.

I agree, at least one of these variants has to go. There are just too many.

agree, cost of developing fighter jet usually come in billion of billion of $.

Honestly ... even if I can't say anything about the reliability of this list, it makes "sense" in that way as it seems to fit nicely into the "facts" (?) we already know and gives "proof" that SAC follows quite closely Sukhoi's way, where each new "Flanker" got a new designation.

As such ... I only hope that someone will make a trip to SAC and gets some nice pictures of them.

Deino

challenge said:

agree, cost of developing fighter jet usually come in billion of billion of $.

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At least J-12, J-13 and J-14 are cancelled, and for the record, J-12 and J-23 are very dated indigenous projects.
J-11 is the series in production, J-15 is in test-flight...though the J-16 to -19 are unknown at this time, we don't even know if they ever exist or exist beyond initial study.

I think it is reasonable that there are more J-11 variants. I don't think we should disparage Shenyang for using the platform over and over again. It saves money and cuts development time.

J-11/A/B=Air Superiority Fighter
J-12=Canceled Nanchang Project
J-13=Canceled Shenyang Project (Remember though, the designation could be re-used)
J-14=Canceled twin-engined J-10???? (Can anyone give me a historical example of a single engine fighter that was enlarged in this manor?
J-15/S=Carrier J-11B (But can we assume their are upgrades from the J-11B, AESA and reduced radar signature?)
J-16=Strike Fighter (Same tech used on J-15? AESA and reduced Radar sig?) F-15K equivalent.

We can't say much about the J-17/J-18/J-19 but:
So far, China has an Su-27/Su-33/Su-30 equivalent. Might they seek an Su-35 equivalent?
We have heard mentions of an J-18E/F naval fighter with supercruise, might that be one of the above?
If there is a carrier J-10 in the works, it might get one of these designations.

I think this follows exactly the same developmental paradigm of what I think China is going through.
Once they digest the lessons of J-10 and J-11/Su-27, they will make many many variants - it shows they are mastering the tech and are confident enough to start widening their search paths for superior fighter design. Similar to US and Russians who produced series of generation 3-4 fighters before moving on to generation 5. (F-14/F-15/F-16/F-18 and Mig-29/Su-27/Su-30/Su-33/Su-35/Su-37)