J-10 Thread IV

Gloire_bb

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yes, i just don't get what exactly the point he want to make....
flanker is aerodynamic unstable as well...
Relaxed. And it's fbw in 2/3 channels, though there's already flight computer.
Again, point is simple. Flanker is a plane from the very dawn of digital era. It's digital, but analog/manual aspects are everywhere.
It's a direct overflow of T-10 (due to ambitions of new chief designer to make his ideal bird at public expense), which wasn't fbw at all.
Yes, of course, later everything was added into it. But still, it's a platform that can work otherwise. Just like F-15EX - which is of course fully FBW now. But same configuration can be flown even the dad's way. Won't fall.


J-10A is digital from inception - it's designed on computers, if flies on computers (in a way which is impossible without computer), in a configuration that can't fly w/o computers, and so on and so forth. It relies, at least partially, on 1980s research of those highly maneuverable (fbw) configurations - in US, but also elsewhere. Its maneuverability profile is much more modern (compared to Su-27s, which are really Vietnam children). it's, again, rigid brick - which can carry heavier payloads relative to airframe without massive reinforcement with significant weight penalty (which J-16 doesn't have).

This is a big structural difference - and while there is some temptation to call it same gen with J-11/16(with whom it creats Hi/Lo pair), it's really a next generation plane. If you look at Soviet plane, designed the same way (unstable delta canard with digital design) - it's not flanker, it's 1.44. Or, for more direct size and role counterpart, 4.12 (LFI).
Mig-1.44.JPG
 
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arthur2046

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More troubling still is the suggestion that the PL-15 may even challenge top-tier Western missiles like the AIM-120D AMRAAM — and perhaps even the Meteor, Europe’s most advanced BVR missile. While the Meteor boasts an exceptional “no-escape zone” and ramjet propulsion enabling sustained speed and agility, the recent encounter suggests that the PL-15 might match or even exceed its performance in real-world conditions.
I think they are still underestimating the PL-15. It should be comparable to the AIM-260 currently under development
 

burritocannon

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i think that is very likely, and possibly why even spectra was overwhelmed. aesa antenna functionality is all accomplished through waveform manipulation, therefore it can be regarded as a universal rf instrument that can perform all rf related tasks, from combat functions like search and weapon guidance, to ewar functions such as jamming and hacking, to elint functions like rwr. the rafale may still operate on the old paradigm of multiple, specific rf systems. separate radar and jamming functions taken up by rbe2 and spectra respectively should take penalties in weight, size, and output compared to a unitary solution. whether the capability is there is another matter, but i think it is at least within the realm of possibility.
 
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serse

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i think that is very likely, and possibly why even spectra was overwhelmed. aesa antenna functionality is all accomplished through waveform manipulation, therefore it can be regarded as a universal rf instrument that can perform all rf related tasks, from combat functions like search and weapon guidance, to ewar functions such as jamming and hacking, to elint functions like rwr. the rafale may still operate on the old paradigm of multiple, specific rf systems. separate radar and jamming functions taken up by rbe2 and spectra respectively should take penalties in weight, size, and output compared to a unitary solution.
purely my speculation.
J10 sensor may have incorporate ai into the system,other such as jamming rafale communication. And do indian af jet has a link 16 type communication? According pentagon, claim that china is developing communication jammer targeting link 16.
 

sequ

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As a relative newcomer in AESA radars, the Turks have managed to make their F-16 radar able to perform ESM and ECM. I can't imagine China that puts AESA seekers in their BVR missiles for a decade now, doesn't have that capability.
 
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