J-10 Thread IV
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manqiangrexue
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J-10 with twin engines and stealth is J-20.
No, the official designation for catapult version is J-15T. Revealed back at Zhuhai.
That makes no sense, dogfighting performance barely matters IRL. Any MLU'd/modern sino-flanker is better than a J-10C. J-15T/J-11BG/J-16 will be much superior to the J-10C if anything previous exercises is to be considered. J-15T should have a radar similar in technology or more advanced than the latest J-16, BG is more unclear but has a AESA from approximately the same time period as J-10C but would be much bigger due to J-11BG being a heavy fighter and thus would have better BVR performance not to mention all the modernized flanker series has much more space for ECM equipment. If excerise results is to be believen an early J-16's ECM prevented the J-10C from even getting a lock on the J-16 while it was able to shoot at the J-10C. I would expect J-15T to carry similar equipment and maybe J-11BG as part of the MLU package. So anyhow J-10C should be the second to last best PLAAF 4.5 gen fighter, better than J-10B but worse than all modern sino-flanker.
I’m pretty sure that J-16 and J-10C are pretty much toe-to-toe in terms of A2A capabilities. Judging from the Golden Helmet results the J10C may even have the edge over J16 ( I think 2018 was J16, then 2019 and 2020 was J10C, after that I didn’t follow the thing super closely but iirc it was mostly J10C as the victor)
J10c had jammed Raf planes a few days prior to the conflict. Once jammed, you cannot do anything but to retreat.
Modern and future conflict is also about jamming and spoofing each other planes..
I am pretty sure J16 can beat J10c because it is designed to be EW. It has successfully jammed US planes near Philippines..
Golden helmet to my knowledge focuses on WVR capabilities which IMO is a good to have but BVR capabilities is much more important as seen in recent conflicts. If you read Yankee's post on PLAAF tactics you'll see that early J-16s smoked J-10Cs in BVR combat excerises.
2000s*
J-16 is a more or less normal su-30ski airframe with classic Chinese additions to win weight (i.e. composit tails, unstressed skin and lighter electronics where appropriate), plus of course digital FbW. There's reason non-professionals can't even tell them apart.
Aerodynamics and so on haven't significantly changed - i.e. it's still the airframe built to the limits from the 1970s. All flankers are, even the more outstanding ones(triplanes and su-35).
Flanker airframe, by the way, is basically the symbol of it - it's... an piece of art in a way, very complicated aerodynamic and structural design, that just a few years later became completely redundant.
Digital fcs allowed normal (simpler and much more rigid configurations) bricks with wings to do the exact same.
Countries keep older 4th gen airframes not because they're magical, but because there's no point changing it. It's good enough, and there's ample power and volume to upgrade that really matters: electronics.
Ew and radars from same country and same period. Chengdu or their contractors (mostly exact same) should've screwed up badly for it to be the case.
J-10c should likely posses a way, way lower RCS when compared to any sinoflanker(or even j-10a). Esp. since it was in fact deeply redesigned right around 2010.
yankee and shilao covered about this more than once, J-16 win more gold helmets than J-10C
basically, J-16 has better situation awareness with one additional pilot,
and the heavy fighter has more options to engage the opponent
well, I'm not sure where you get the "unable to lock" thing from, but as a newer varient, people from 14th Institute could lose their jobs if J-10C has worse EW system... In fact, Yankee mentioned this long time ago, in early year of Golden Helmet, the J-10's was actually better EW than the J-16, at least better than the early varient of J-16
On top of that, despite manuverbility is less important in BVR, but it's still quite an edge for land-based jet to 'bully' navel jet with their 9G instead of 7G limitation. With a much lighter airframe, J-10 could reach optimal lauch altitude a lot quicker than old J-11B airframes and those navel frankers, and fire and guide the missle for longer time before conduct tatical manuver.