J-10 Thread IV

[TK3600]

In terms of air to air, J-10C is ahead of J-11, according to pilots mock fighting with them. J-10C tend to come out on top. If J-20 do not exist, J-10C will still be the main fighter. I would put J-10C right behind J-16. J-10C should be able to keep up with J-16, but lacking a bit in other aspects besides air to air.

 

[stannislas]

so what is your suggesting ... just put it there

A2A:
5th gen: J-20 >
4.5 gen: J-16>J-10C
>~ J-11BG (4.5 gen standard MLU) ~ J-15B ~ J-10B
4th gen: J-11B ~ J-10A ~ J-15 ~ J-15T

No J-35/J-35A in first line service yet, far as we know, only testing on aircraft carriers at the moment

 

[InsaneHum]

A2A:
5th gen: J-20 >
4.5 gen: J-16>J-10C
>~ J-11BG (4.5 gen standard MLU) ~ J-15B
4th gen: J-11B ~ J-10A ~ J-15 ~ J-15T

No J-35/J-35A in first line service yet, far as we know, only testing on aircraft carriers at the moment

How is J-15T 4th gen? For all we know its the naval equivalent of the J-16.

 

[stannislas]

How is J-15T 4th gen? For all we know its the naval equivalent of the J-16.

i think what you are refering to is now called 'J-15B', PLAN ordered very small amount of J-15T in J-15 standard ealier

 

[Gloire_bb]

A2A:
5th gen: J-20 >
4.5 gen: J-16>J-10C
>~ J-11BG (4.5 gen standard MLU) ~ J-15B ~ J-10B
4th gen: J-11B ~ J-10A ~ J-15 ~ J-15T

No J-35/J-35A in first line service yet, far as we know, only testing on aircraft carriers at the moment

Arguably, J-10c is the only 4.5 gen on the list. By virtue of being 2000s unstable canard delta. Different generation of thinking, which, if not for f-22, would've become 5th generation in its own right.

Any j-11/15/16, no matter how advanced (and more capable), is "+/++". Simply because original airframe matters at least to some extent.

 

[Nevermore]

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[stannislas]

Arguably, J-10c is the only 4.5 gen on the list. By virtue of being 2000s unstable canard delta. Different generation of thinking, which, if not for f-22, would've become 5th generation in its own right.

Any j-11/15/16, no matter how advanced (and more capable), is "+/++". Simply because original airframe matters at least to some extent.

4.5 gen refers more to the entire system rather than just airframe, if you followed the Golden Helmet in recent years, J-16 has demonstrated a consistently high win rate against the J-10C within the 4.5 gen group

plus, J-16 incorporates a newly engineered airframe, which led to a substantial increase in structural fatigue life and enables the aircraft to sustain 9G maneuvers easily.

 

[Gloire_bb]

4.5 gen refers more to the entire system rather than just airframe, if you followed the Golden Helmet in recent years, J-16 has demonstrated a consistently high win rate against the J-10C within the 4.5 gen group

plus, J-16 incorporates a newly engineered airframe, which led to a substantial increase in structural fatigue life and enables the aircraft to sustain 9G maneuvers easily.

I mostly meaning distinction between things you can add and things you can't.
Upgrading electronics within original boundaries is totally fine, and they'll do their job(you get radar return on your radar calculated though ew? fire, splinters of modern missile pierce all generations all the same).

Traditional case here is F-15c - retrograde, stable, mechanical flier from 1960s without any fusions ... which still can outbrute most competitors through sheer thrust, power, wing area and so on. Of course, huge AESA, link-16, aim-120d/aim-9x and hmd help.
J-16 is more advanced, of course, but it's still a 1970s airframe at the core. Drawn on paper, for (very ambitious back then!) partial analog fbw on Soviet macroelectronics.

J-10 is a millennial. Yes, millenial born in still poor 1990s China, yes, millennial who went to school not seeing opposite side of the street in horrible smog. But still, she's a modern girl in her 20s. Yes, she is at most 168, not a 6 feet milf.
But,fully digital from the very inception. You can't make flanker into that.

 

[serse]

This aerial combat provided us an inside look j10c aesa radar.the radar ability to guided 2 or more aam to intercept multiply target simultaneosly

 

[stannislas]

I mostly meaning distinction between things you can add and things you can't.
Upgrading electronics within original boundaries is totally fine, and they'll do their job(you get radar return on your radar calculated though ew? fire, splinters of modern missile pierce all generations all the same).

Traditional case here is F-15c - retrograde, stable, mechanical flier from 1960s without any fusions ... which still can outbrute most competitors through sheer thrust, power, wing area and so on. Of course, huge AESA, link-16, aim-120d/aim-9x and hmd help.
J-16 is more advanced, of course, but it's still a 1970s airframe at the core. Drawn on paper, for (very ambitious back then!) partial analog fbw on Soviet macroelectronics.

J-10 is a millennial. Yes, millenial born in still poor 1990s China, yes, millennial who went to school not seeing opposite side of the street in horrible smog. But still, she's a modern girl in her 20s. Yes, she is at most 168, not a 6 feet milf.
But,fully digital from the very inception. You can't make flanker into that.

like i said, J-16 has a redesigned internal airframe with technology of 2010s'