J-10 Thread IV

[serse]

India lost 3 rafale,one is confirmed being down by pl15e its likely 2 other also shoot down downed by pl15e .

 

[FirebirdFan]

Not sure whether he knows that PL-15 is "old" missile in Chinese inventory, 10 years ago and PL-15E is even lower performance. 10 years in China is a very long time for weapon development

Also J-10C (even lower for J-10CE) is nowhere top fighter in Chinese inventory J-20 > J-35A > J-16 > J-15 > J-11B ~J-10C

I think it may be important to separate J-10C, J-11BG and J-15T from J-11B and J-15.

 

[antiterror13]

I think it may be important to separate J-10C, J-11BG and J-15T from J-11B and J-15.

so what is your suggesting ... just put it there

 

[TK3600]

In terms of air to air, J-10C is ahead of J-11, according to pilots mock fighting with them. J-10C tend to come out on top. If J-20 do not exist, J-10C will still be the main fighter. I would put J-10C right behind J-16. J-10C should be able to keep up with J-16, but lacking a bit in other aspects besides air to air.

 

[stannislas]

so what is your suggesting ... just put it there

A2A:
5th gen: J-20 >
4.5 gen: J-16>J-10C
>~ J-11BG (4.5 gen standard MLU) ~ J-15B ~ J-10B
4th gen: J-11B ~ J-10A ~ J-15 ~ J-15T

No J-35/J-35A in first line service yet, far as we know, only testing on aircraft carriers at the moment

 

[InsaneHum]

A2A:
5th gen: J-20 >
4.5 gen: J-16>J-10C
>~ J-11BG (4.5 gen standard MLU) ~ J-15B
4th gen: J-11B ~ J-10A ~ J-15 ~ J-15T

No J-35/J-35A in first line service yet, far as we know, only testing on aircraft carriers at the moment

How is J-15T 4th gen? For all we know its the naval equivalent of the J-16.

 

[stannislas]

How is J-15T 4th gen? For all we know its the naval equivalent of the J-16.

i think what you are refering to is now called 'J-15B', PLAN ordered very small amount of J-15T in J-15 standard ealier

 

[Gloire_bb]

A2A:
5th gen: J-20 >
4.5 gen: J-16>J-10C
>~ J-11BG (4.5 gen standard MLU) ~ J-15B ~ J-10B
4th gen: J-11B ~ J-10A ~ J-15 ~ J-15T

No J-35/J-35A in first line service yet, far as we know, only testing on aircraft carriers at the moment

Arguably, J-10c is the only 4.5 gen on the list. By virtue of being 2000s unstable canard delta. Different generation of thinking, which, if not for f-22, would've become 5th generation in its own right.

Any j-11/15/16, no matter how advanced (and more capable), is "+/++". Simply because original airframe matters at least to some extent.

 

[Nevermore]

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[stannislas]

Arguably, J-10c is the only 4.5 gen on the list. By virtue of being 2000s unstable canard delta. Different generation of thinking, which, if not for f-22, would've become 5th generation in its own right.

Any j-11/15/16, no matter how advanced (and more capable), is "+/++". Simply because original airframe matters at least to some extent.

4.5 gen refers more to the entire system rather than just airframe, if you followed the Golden Helmet in recent years, J-16 has demonstrated a consistently high win rate against the J-10C within the 4.5 gen group

plus, J-16 incorporates a newly engineered airframe, which led to a substantial increase in structural fatigue life and enables the aircraft to sustain 9G maneuvers easily.