J-10 Thread IV

TK3600

TK3600

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Deino said:
No, but I think any specific PAF related stuff is better located within the PAF thread and even more if its such a stupid Indian claim, they won't be air-refuelable
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So we are only allowed to discuss plaaf use of j10 here?
 
optionsss

optionsss

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tphuang said:
It's not just a general perception. Up to this point, they have not used J-10C in that role. For most of its short tenure, J-10C was the primary frontline fighter jet for PLAAF air defense. As such, it was not really used for A2G roles. And over the past 5 years where I've been absent, it doesn't seem like they made much progress in precision strike capabilities. That's probably due to the desire to quickly improve their air superiority capabilities. The number of new AAMs they've added in the past 10 years is quite impressive. The improvement in their radar and EW capabilities has also been very impressive.

However, I don't think that means J-10C can't do this role. In fact, I think it can do it pretty well once PLAAF puts its mind into it. J-16 should be even better suited for this role and we haven't seen PLAAF really use PGMs on there. As J-20 production really ramped up in the past year and JH-7 series slowly fades away, those roles will have to shift to J-10 and flankers. At a minimum, we should see more training photos of J-10C with PGMs and such. I think this Ukraine conflict has shown how important it is to have PGM capabilities across the board. The lack of familiarity with PGMs has been a huge problem for RuAF. PLAAF will study this conflict very closely and realize it needs to put PGM integration and draining on afterburners. Seeing J-10 with YJ-83K shows me that they are moving in this direction, but it will take a couple of years for more photos of this to come out.

And yes, incorporating more multi-role capabilities into J-10C will also be good for its export potential.
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It's puzzling PLAAF have not introduced a JDAM equivalent, but I would hazard to guess their new laser guided bombs might be dual guided (GPS and laser).
 
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latenlazy

Brigadier
Totoro said:
That aviation week article seems to be based on just as much guesswork as an average post on an internet forum. And I'd wager that there are people on this very forum that have been following the developments on numbers and production changes to PLAAF over the last decade more closely than that author.

Deino may, for example, correct me - but a more realistic production numbers for 2021 alone would/should be:
30-ish J10C (some going to Pakistan, but that's besides the point)
several J10S
30 or so J-16
10 or so J-15
Probably zero J-11
25-30 or so J-20
(and 10 or so H-6, though those haven't been mentioned by the av.week text)

So that'd amount to 100-110 tactical jets, plus the H-6 bombers.

In 2012, the av. week text claims some 32 J-10 and as many as 44 J-11. That's very unlikely as well. J-11 production likely never strayed much over 24 per year. Possibly hitting 30 for a brief year. J-10 production of all variants was by then also a bit higher, possibly closer to 40. J-15 production was ongoing back then. Possibly only several airframes, but still. Overall total being maybe 70-ish tactical planes. Plus the H-6.

Av.week article basically has it backwards. In 2012 China was procuring fewer planes than today.
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They probably did serial counting the way we do without adjusting for the fact that after 2016 we got a squeeze on new photos and a more deliberate effort to scramble and hide serials.
 
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