J-10 Thread IV

[siegecrossbow]

Is it equipped with WS-10C?

I thought that the nozzle makes it very obvious?

 

[Deino]

Is it equipped with WS-10C?

Decide on your own!

 

[LCR34]

A few Chinese military enthusiast site has started to talk about J10D. So far no substantiated info i guess.

 

[xyqq]

J-10C loading cannon rounds (one tracer for every four high-explosive incendiary rounds):



for battlefield support:

 

[minime]

I have now heard from both Xi Yazhou (some weeks ago) and

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(this week, in discussion about the J-10D rumours) that there are discussions floating around of China providing J-10 to the DPRK to modernise their air force.

In context of J-10D Shilao and Ayi's opinion is that:

Yes, with only one engine it's cheaper than J-16, but it's not exactly half the price since it's not like J-16 is loaded with two AESA. PLAAF love J-16 and given choice would just buy more J-16 instead of more J-10.

J-10's small size leaves very little room for further improvements. If it has to be done you'll probably see things like conformal fuel tanks just like on some of the later F-16s.

If indeed there is to be a J-10D then perhaps it would be designed as a last batch of "perfected J-10", half for export to Pakistan/DPRK and half for PLAAF, but it's not very likely.

According to the podcast, Pakistan is impressed by J10c in Shaheen joint air exercise so much so they felt the needs to acquire J10c to counter Indian Rafale ASAP despite JF17 Block 3 is well underway. Along with its ageing F16 fleet, once they ran out of spare parts, Pakistan could turn to full Chinese in the future.
I wonder how credible is that.

 

[Maikeru]

According to the podcast, Pakistan is impressed by J10c in Shaheen joint air exercise so much so they felt the needs to acquire J10c to counter Indian Rafale ASAP despite JF17 Block 3 is well underway. Along with its ageing F16 fleet, once they ran out of spare parts, Pakistan could turn to full Chinese in the future.

I wonder how credible is that.

Fairly credible I should think. Pakistan won't want to rely on US now it is getting into bed with India, whilst France and Russia are already in that bed. That leaves basically non-French Europe and China as top tier fighter producers that Pakistan can possibly buy from, and the former is likely to be fraught with problems (e.g. US/French parts, German reluctance to sell arms, etc.). Other stuff like vehicles, MALE UAVs, small warships, they can diversify more (e.g. Turkey, Brazil).

For China a major sale to a well respected air force like Pakistan would be a major boost for its fighter industry. In the medium term I can see some of the big spenders in the Gulf states buying Chinese fighters (maybe J31E).

 

[Zahid]

Fairly credible I should think. Pakistan won't want to rely on US now it is getting into bed with India, whilst France and Russia are already in that bed. That leaves basically non-French Europe and China as top tier fighter producers that Pakistan can possibly buy from, and the former is likely to be fraught with problems (e.g. US/French parts, German reluctance to sell arms, etc.). Other stuff like vehicles, MALE UAVs, small warships, they can diversify more (e.g. Turkey, Brazil).

For China a major sale to a well respected air force like Pakistan would be a major boost for its fighter industry. In the medium term I can see some of the big spenders in the Gulf states buying Chinese fighters (maybe J31E).

1. JF-17 already uses Russian RD-93 engine, so Russia despite being a major supplier to India does not treat India-Pakistan as a zero-sum game.

2. Pakistan would not want to entirely cut-off its supply chain from Western suppliers. Today's geo-political realities aside, in the long term Pakistan would not want to shun Western hardware. PAF happily uses Italian hardware, for example. Italy & Pakistan are on good terms; also Spain.

3. China does not need Pakistan to give a boost to its aviation industry. That already happened in 90s with J-7G which many airforces bought after PAF bought J-7PG. Before then PAF operated J-6 (inducted from mid-late 60s), J-7, co-production of highly successful K-8. Of course JF-17/FC-1 is the pinnacle of the long-standing relationship.

4. GCC countries no longer look to PAF. They have far surpassed PAF in modernity of their Western-supplied hardware. A turn to Chinese hardware would happen independently of Pakistan, of course.

5. J-10CE in PAF would no doubt be used as a big endorsement. But that does not mean that Chinese hardware needs Pakistani endorsement.

 

[minime]

China indeed needs endorsement for its indigenous design high-end combat air craft from a reputable air force.
After all, J-7PG is still a copy of MiG-21 and a 2nd gen fighter. J10C on the other hand is the first full Chinese-made indigenous 4th gen fighter.
It will be a testament to Chinese progress in military aviation declaring that China is a serious contender over western counterparts.
The significance is even bigger under the context that PAF is replacing the F16 fleet with J10CE to counter Indian Rafale.
The logic goes like this if the Chinese 4th gen is on par with the best western can offer, surely the 5th gen J-20 is on par with F-22/F35.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Video.

 

[ChongqingHotPot92]

Shorter version of the video. WS-10 equipped J-10C flying in battle formation @ 0:57 and 1:21-1:27