Israeli Military Says Missile Struck Warship Instead of Drone

tphuang

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Apparently the radar system on the Israeli ship, Hanith, was jammed by Hezbollah.

I would not trust anything military coming out of Asia Times. It's not a military magazine.
 

bd popeye

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I'm gonna try to fire this subject back up!

I found this article in a thread at defencetalk.com

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I could not find the original article. So take it as it stands.

This article are the findings of the IDF of the attack on the INS Hanit by Hezzbolah in June of last year during their 34 day war. As we know this article confirms that the IDF ship was hit by a Chinese manufactured C-802.

Has anyone seen any real pictures of the damage to the ship? I have not. The IDF is really keeping a tight lid on this incident. If you have a source of REAL pictures, of the damage please post them. No PS please!!

Committee: Israel Navy's Understanding of Lebanon Operational Reality Deficient
Defense Daily 11/08/2006
Author: B.C. Kessner

TEL AVIV, Israel--The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) yesterday released key findings of a special committee that investigated the Hezbollah-fired C-802 missile attack on the Israel navy ship Hanit in July 2006, and the report said deficient understanding of the operational situation was to blame in the incident that killed four sailors.

"The committee found deficiencies in the forces' understanding and assimilation of the operational reality, thus affecting the level of operational performance--which was deficient," an IDF statement last night said.

Brig. Gen. Nir Maor headed the committee and submitted the findings to the IDF Chief of Staff, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz on Sunday. Halutz stressed that the investigation was thorough and of high standard and accepted all the operational recommendations of the committee and instructed to implement them, the IDF said.

According to the findings, the investigation showed that despite the lack of specific prior intelligence regarding the weapons held by Hezbollah, there was certain information received by the Israeli navy in the past, which could have lead to the operational assumption of a possibility that the enemy holds coastal ammunition.

"Accordingly, it would have been advisable to operate in a way that would precede this threat," the findings said.

The July 14 attack on the INS Hanit emerged as one of the key puzzles of the recent Lebanon war that the IDF and Israel's defense industry would be pressed to explain once the war was over (Defense Daily, Aug. 11).

In the last couple of months, industry and defense sources have told Defense Daily that any of Hanit's "four rings of defense" could have defeated the Chinese origin C- 802 if they had been on and working properly.

Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) and RAFAEL spent many years and many millions of dollars to develop the Barak-1 missile defense system found on Hanit (and many other platforms from now very watchful international customers), which was designed specifically to beat threats like the one on July 14.

The Hanit was also equipped with a close-in weapons system (CIWS), electronic counter measures and chaff.

There was some talk of possible 'service interoperability issues' in the local press and defense circles as one cause for some Hanit's systems to have been off when the attack occurred, although nothing official was ever released to that effect.

Sources say that, for its part, the Israeli navy has been particularly clear of pointing any fingers at the other services or placing any degree of blame on systems in the wake of the missile incident.

"It boils down to an operational outlook problem and an over reliance on the Intel estimate, and they realize that," one source said recently.

Following the investigation, the Halutz instructed the Israeli navy to raise the level of operational management required from the commanders, alongside preservation of the level of the professional operation of the navy vessels, the IDF said. "The Chief of Staff instructed the IDF commanders to operate based on strict operational assumptions whenever precise intelligence regarding the enemy does not exist."

Additionally, Halutz instructed that intelligence information, such as information held by the IDF, would be examined by several bodies in the Israel navy and not only by one organization and instructed the navy to prepare for all possible threats, the IDF added.

The Israel navy has been operating off the coast of Lebanon for a long time. Prior to the escalation of the war and the C-802 attack, the generally regarded estimate of the 'threat zone' offshore was out to six kilometers, or sufficiently past the maximum 5500-meter range of the Russian-built AT-14 Kornet laser guided anti-tank missile. Reports here said Hanit was hit about 14 kilometers offshore, though it may have been closer deterring small craft earlier before heading to that position.

Doctrinally, during wartime Israel's Saar-5 missile boats like the Hanit are intended to sail out, attack and sink enemy vessels and return in relatively short order. Long-term operations for the Israel navy, like what it faced with the blockade and extended area patrols, are very challenging.

The extended wartime operations require almost continuous full battle stations, akin to the U.S. Navy's Condition One. On a vessel crewed by about 55 personnel, only the commanding and executive officers are typically career officers, and the rest of the wardroom is rather junior.

Maintaining a readiness state between full battle stations and wartime steaming (Condition Three) for days on end is particularly taxing with such a setup, one source said. "At some point the CO's got to get some sleep, and the crew's got to eat and rest."

It was a wartime environment, and Israel Air Force aircraft were in the air, but they were fighting Hezbollah, not some country known to have weapons like the C-802, the source added. "One can understand why the CO didn't keep the systems on full auto."

There could have been other considerations, but none are likely to mitigate the fact that there was lack of appreciation on several levels that the situation leading up to July 14 had changed, with devastating consequences.

Across the board, industry and defense sources privately here have been saying the navy was extremely lucky with the result of the attack on the Hanit, and that if the angles had been slightly different, or the missile fusing had been different or had it detonated at a different location, the Saar-5 missile boat could have suffered much more severe damage or been sunk.

Information has not yet been released as to who in the navy will ultimately bear responsibility for the incident, be they the Hanit commanding officer, the Saar-5 flotilla commander or someone higher.
 

Scratch

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I think I remember to have seen a short footage of that vessel in TV news, though I'm not quiet sure it is only imagination. There was a relatively small whole in the side with black smoke coming out.
Back then it was reported the defence system of the Hanit was not fully up.
 

bd popeye

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I think I remember to have seen a short footage of that vessel in TV news, though I'm not quiet sure it is only imagination. There was a relatively small whole in the side with black smoke coming out.
Back then it was reported the defence system of the Hanit was not fully up.

I saw that to. It's in the earlier pages of this thread. But that was explained as a "stock photo" of the ship and that small hole was some sort of exhaust that was normal.

The IDF still has not released any pictures of the damage to the INS Hanit.
 

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The IDF still has not released any pictures of the damage to the INS Hanit.
No they haven't, and I doubt they ever will...OPSEC.

I kept hoping that some tourist or citizen near the port where the vessel was taken would get a shot in, but the IDF probably brought it in under cover of darkness, and probably had repaired it in some kind of full enclosure (it is not a big ship).
 

bd popeye

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Thanks Jeff. Curious.. I'm sure the whole situation is classified by the IDF as "Crypto" Top secrect. Unless someone takes the chance of releasing the pics we shall never know.:confused:
 

AssassinsMace

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So is there any definitive word on the extent of damage to the Sa'ar 5? Last thing I heard was the ship was repaired and was back in service in days. Now Richard Fisher has come out with his lastest China report where if you look 12 paragraphs down, he states the ship was destroyed.

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So is there any definitive word on the extent of damage to the Sa'ar 5? Last thing I heard was the ship was repaired and was back in service in days. Now Richard Fisher has come out with his lastest China report where if you look 12 paragraphs down, he states the ship was destroyed.

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What he said was:

"In July 2006 the world witnessed how Iran’s proliferation of Chinese C-802 anti-ship missiles to Hezbollah in Lebanon nearly caused the destruction of a modern, stealthy Israeli corvette."

Had the missile struck the ship, say, 20 meters to the right, the Corvette might have gone up like a firecracker.
 

AssassinsMace

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So who's highly exaggerating because "nearly caused the destruction" is a long way from back in service after several days of repair.
 

mpaduan79

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i read some mail from my friends in iran mention that the missile did hit but not exploded ....because the arm fuse was not set properly....thats y the ship can go back for repair...after few hour:coffee:
 
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