Israeli Military Says Missile Struck Warship Instead of Drone

sumdud

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How will Hizbullah know if the systems are on or not?
But I'd think this: The people researched on israel's ship.
They learned that while the corvette has a CIWS at front, it has nothing to cover its butt. So when they saw that the butt was exposed, they decide to fire?

Popeye, do you the distribution of people onboard a warship? Since the rear end of the ship is the engine, I'd imagine that there are little people there, and that the steel from the engine blocked out a large portion of the blast by taking in the damage, so it couldn't swim, but the crew was saved.

Or the Israelis were.........censoring? (<-Now don't try to explode on this point.)
 

Raptor

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Im new here, i been searching for a forum for several days talking about the Israel warship hit by a missile, finally i found it here..

For me the ship defenses are on, maybe the israel is just saying its not active to avoid embarasment..

for sure lesson learned about the latest attack.

Israel ships and US ships got the same countermeasures?
 

utelore

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NEGITIVE, THESE ARE NOT PICTURES OF THE HIT. THESE ARE STANDARD MARKS ON ALL SAAR 5. as talked about in a previous post. I am convinced that this was a horrid looking hit that has all but destroyed the ship as a functional combat unit and that is why Israel is being non-transparent of this issue.
 

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Raptor said:
Im new here, i been searching for a forum for several days talking about the Israel warship hit by a missile, finally i found it here..

For me the ship defenses are on, maybe the israel is just saying its not active to avoid embarasment..

for sure lesson learned about the latest attack.

Israel ships and US ships got the same countermeasures?

Welcome to our forum Raptor!:) Raptor be sure you read the forum rules. And introduce yourself to the rest of the forum.

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=1324

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=1831&page=17

I agree with you as I previously stated that I think the IDF system was on. The IDF ship got caught with it's pants down.

USN ships and IDF do not have the same countermeasures. USN ECM is probally superior to that of the IDF ships. In addition the Aegis system on such equipped USN ships is always manned and at the ready.
 

Raptor

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bd popeye said:
USN ships and IDF do not have the same countermeasures. USN ECM is probally superior to that of the IDF ships. In addition the Aegis system on such equipped USN ships is always manned and at the ready.

nice to hear that :)
 

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Amnon Barzilai 20 Jul 06 17:18

An Israel Navy investigation into last Friday's strike on the missile ship "Hanit" has found that the only fault was the lack of intelligence that Hizbullah had Iranian C-807 (sic!) missiles. The investigation also found that the actions of the Hanit's crew were based on information supplied by IDF Military Intelligence, and that there was no negligence in applying operational procedures.

The investigation found that at around 8 pm the Iranian-made missile was fired at the missile ship and exploded above it. The explosion and shock wave caused a fire and a hole in the vessel. Four crew were at first reported missing; they were later found dead.

According to the results of the investigation, in the absence of intelligence about anti-ship missiles, no such threat was defined in advance, and the missile ships' systems were deployed in standby mode and not in ready-to-fire mode.

Although the ship's defense systems spotted the incoming Iranian missile, the problem was cognitive. Because of the missile's speed and the short distance of the ship from shore (16 kilometers), and because the crew was unprepared for this kind of threat, the radar and electronic warfare systems operators had only 20 seconds to realize that they were under attack by an enemy missile.

The probe also found that a greater disaster was only narrowly avoided. Hizbullah fired two missiles at the ship. One missile hit and destroyed a Cambodian vessel with an Egyptian crew sailing a few dozen kilometers from the Israeli missile ship. The second missile hit the Israeli warship. Luckily, for unknown reasons, Hizbullah did not fire a third missile. The assessment is that a third missile could have sunk the Israeli ship."

Globes Israel business news, 20. Juli 2006
 

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This is an interesting read:

What's behind the Navy's failure?

By Yossi Melman

The heads of Israel's Navy will have to figure out whether the failure on Friday night resulted form an intelligence problem or complacency - or maybe both.

When a Saar-5 Class Destroyer, INS Spear, was hit by a missile launched by Hezbollah, the incident could have ended with severe results, including the sinking of the ship. Four of the personnel on board were initially reported missing; since then, one body has been identified.

The missile that struck the INS Spear has a warhead weighing 100 kilograms, hardened and programmed to explode after it penetrates the hull. The damage it caused could have been much more lethal: Luckily the aviation fuel INS Spear carries for its on-board helicopter did not explode.


According to a senior Israel Defense Forces source, the missile that struck the ship was a Chinese-made, radar-guided cruise missile with a 100-kg warhead, the C-802, an upgraded version of the C-701. Both types have been in the arsenal of Iran's Navy for at least seven years. The range of the missile does not exceed 35 kilometers, and at the time of the attack the INS Spear was operating at a distance of 16 kilometers from the Lebanese shores.

The missile can be launched from ship, aircraft and land, and Chinese sources claim that it has electronic counter-measures that disrupt radar defenses of targets as they try to lock on to the incoming C-802. This may explain the failure of INS Spear to shoot the missile down.

In the past, INS ships have been hit by shore-based gunfire, without any serious damage. This is the first time that a missile scored a hit against a modern Israeli missile boat.

Following the Six-Day War Egyptian missile boats managed to sink the INS Eilat using Soviet-made Styx missiles in a well-orchestrated ambush off the Sinai peninsula. Since, the Israel Navy has excelled in developing both advanced fighting doctrines in the use of missile boats and technologies, which it also exported around the world. The attack on INS Spear could also damage the reputation of the Israel Navy and harm naval-related defense exports.

The INS Spear is one of three Saar-5 Class warships, which is larger than a corvette and is one the most advanced warships in Israel's naval arsenal. They were built in Pascagoula, Mississippi, by Northrop-Grumman shipyards, using U.S. military aid funds. The INS Spear entered operational service in 1995.

The defense suit of the Saar-5 destroyers is made in its entirety by Israel defense industries. Each vessel displaces approximately 1,300 tons, has a crew of 64, and is capable of independent operations for about 20 days without resupply. The ships are capable of carrying up to two helicopters, in addition to intelligence and air force personnel.

Three of the victims of the attack were air force and intelligence personnel, suggesting that the role of the ship was that of forward controller for the naval blockade imposed since the start of the operation against Hezbollah on Wednesday night.

The strength of the Saar-5 Class lies in its fighting systems and these should have provided it with adequate protection against the C-802. Its electronic countermeasures, made by Rafael, should have enabled it to identify and locate the incoming missile. This is particularly true in the case of the Chinese-made missile that is radar-guided, which constantly emits electronic signals making it easier to see on radar.

The first line of defense would have been electronic counter-measures that would have disrupted the radar guidance of the missile, and then an anti-missile missile, that can shoot down the incoming threat. As a last resort, the Vulcan close-defense system would have destroyed the C-802 at ranges under two kilometers.

Clearly all these systems failed and the question that remains is: Why? Was there intelligence information that was not passed on to INS Spear, as in the case of the luckless INS Eilat? Even if intelligence was not available, the crew was taking part in combat operations and should have been on high alert for any eventuality.

For three decades Israel's Navy has had complete mastery of the area between Libya and Syria, and Naval officers say that the prevailing sense was that "no one can harm us." Could the results of Friday night's attack have been the result of complacency?

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sydneylocks

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Gang,

Here's website with video clip purported of the missile strike, although it looks more like a launching to me. What do you make of it?


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I believe Al-Manar is the Hizbollah media, and the clip was taken from Israeli pool press on the ships...
 

Jeff Head

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SteelBird said:
The link below claims that these are the first pictures of the SA'AR 5 after attacked. It looks OK from outside, maybe the damage are inside the hull.
I posted that thread...towards the middle it became apparent that these pics were absolutely not pics of the damaged Saar 5, and it is very clearly explained and set forth within the thread.

Those holes are standard discharge ports and the marks are simply stains.

Still waiting to see actual damage pics, but the IDF is holding it very close to its chest. My understanding is that there was very heavy damage to the helo hanger and deck on the aft end of the vessel.
 
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