Israel attacks Gaza Strip

utelore said:

Well put isthvan, although I am not sure what design flaw exist in the Merkava. I think we are still using lots of conjectures when looking at this issue. We really don't know what systems are being used and hit? Are these top hits or side hits? If you look at the Merkava1 and 2 you will notice rounded cast armour on the sides of the lower turret area. I think this is the weakest part of this tank although the Merkava3 and 4 has fixed this issue.

Also the engagement ranges are in the area of 300 to 700 meters in some cases so you are looking at good, accurate shots being taken with those ATGW systems. I don't think this will effect the overall out come of the conflict with the destruction of 3 tanks however the legend of the merkava has been somewhat tarnished in professional tank circles with the loss of crewman to manport ATGW....cheers ute.

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DennisDaMenace said:

Mr Finn

The M1A1 doesnt seem to do well after its hit? Just what kind of logic are you smokin up there, cause I wants some. Most tanks die after they are hit. There have been reports of Abrahams taking up to 10 hits durring the 2 wars in Iraqu. They may have been knocked out as far as combat- but there crews survived. I must say theres a big differnce going into a battle knowing you will survive a hit and knowing when you see another tank beside you hit and knowing everyone is dead and you are next!
Nothing will blow the top off of an Abrahms except a Maverick or Hellfire, so control of the air is what counts the most. Even if you have the best Tank- Abrahams- Challanger- Leopard- Merkava- TU-82? what ever, you will die die die if you dont control the air. Germany had the more superior tanks then the western Allies in WW2 but the allies controlled the air. Lots of tanks dead on the road moving up. I dont mean to be harsh on you.

But, if I were- you should be in an Abrahms. LOL

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“...It was hell. They are really well trained. They’re not suckers, they know how to fight,” said one, slumped on the pavement. “You’re scared the whole time over there. We didn’t get any sleep the whole week.” There was not a voice of dissent.
The soldiers told how they had worked their way through the dry, scrubby hillsides towards Taibeh, facing continual attacks from Hezbollah sniper and anti-tank missile positions concealed in houses, farms, underground bunkers and seemingly deserted streets.
To counter this they called in frequent support from 155mm artillery batteries on the Israeli side of the border, which pounded Taibeh sending huge plumes of smoke into the sky.
“We killed ten, and the artillery must have killed thirty or forty,” said a soldier who, like his colleagues, was not allowed to give his name. He had simply lost count of Hezbollah’s attacks. “Many, many, it was very bad because you don’t know where they are coming from. But we succeeded.”
Another soldier said that serving in the Palestinian militant stronghold of Jenin in the West Bank, as he had, was nothing compared with fighting Hezbollah’s guerrillas. “It was horrible,” he said. “You don’t know what it’s like, with every second a rocket- propelled grenade shooting over your head.”
A third soldier said: “All the time, they fired missiles at us. They never come face to face, just missiles. When we find them we kill them. It’s just not right, the way we are doing it. Our air force can just bomb villages and not risk our lives fighting over there.”
Another, slugging cola as his friends posed for photos, added: “It feels good to do the job. And come out alive.”
More than 40 Israeli soldiers have been killed in the 25 days of fighting ....

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crazyinsane105 said:

Hezbullah scored one hell of a lucky shot today with their rockets: they managed to kill 12 Israeli soldiers (reservists) in a single rocket strike while other barages made a building collapse.

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BEIJING - A rocket blast in southern Lebanon injured three Chinese peacekeepers on Sunday, just hours after China called on the
United Nations to ensure the security of U.N. peacekeepers in the Middle East, state media reported.
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A Chinese officer confirmed that the peacekeepers were injured by a Hezbollah rocket, according to the official Xinhua News Agency.

"The rocket landed near our post at 11:55 a.m. (0855 GMT) as an Israeli military unit passed by a village close to the post," Luo Fuqiang, a Chinese officer who heads a sapper battalion, was quoted as saying.

The report not specify where the attack occurred or whether the peacekeepers had been hospitalized.

Earlier Sunday, China's Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing told U.N. Secretary-General
Kofi Annan in a telephone conversation that the U.N. should take tangible measures to ensure the security of U.N. peacekeepers, Xinhua said.

A Chinese observer was among four U.N. peacekeepers killed last month in southern Lebanon by an Israeli attack on an observer post.

Li, who is on a visit to Papua New Guinea, also called on
Israel and Hezbollah guerillas to declare a cease-fire and urged the United Nations to do more to prevent the conflict from escalating.

China's special envoy on Middle East issues, Sun Bigan, began a five-nation tour of the Middle East Sunday in an effort to reduce tensions in the region. Sun was to visit
Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, the government announced earlier

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