ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

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Russia barely pulling its punches against the US today
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Personally I cannot help that note that this is a the US hand in the second incident against Syrian Government forces, isolated in the East of the Country within little more than a month, the first of course being at Al Hasakah, earlier this summer.

You do not need to to Sherlock to perceive a possible motive.
 
according to MilitaryTimes U.S. military commanders are 'pissed off' about the mission creep in Syria
The deal for U.S. military cooperation with Russia would expand the current mission in Syria far beyond it's exclusive focus on the Islamic State group.

And the Pentagon is not happy about it.

The agreement forged by Secretary of State John Kerry and his Russian counterpart could, for the first time, broaden the American-led air campaign’s target list to include al Nusra, the notorious al Qaida-linked group that is a major actor in the multi-sided Syrian civil war. Until now, the two-year-old U.S. air campaign in Syria has been limited to ISIS.

“This could be massive mission creep,” said Josh Landis, director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma. “The military is pissed off because they’re being asked to do two jobs now. They were asked to do one job, which is kill ISIS. Now John Kerry is asking them to do another job, which is cooperate with Russia and kill al Nusra.”
The cease-fire deal reached Sept. 9 calls for the two former Cold War rivals to set up a joint facility for sharing intelligence and coordinating airstrikes against ISIS and al Nusra. The key requirement is adherence to a seven-day cease fire that calls on the Syrian regime and Russia to halt attacks around the city of Alleppo, which has experienced some of the war's most horrific violence, and allow for sustained delivery of humanitarian aid.

The details remain unclear. Some U.S. military officials are suggesting that the "cooperation" between the U.S. and Russia may be narrowly defined to involve only sharing intelligence with the Russians and deconflicting air space rather than expanding the target list for U.S. aircraft.

The top U.S. general overseeing the air campaign would not say whether the target list will expand to include al Nusra. “That's yet to be figured out. I think, again, you know, we've got to get through these seven days of cessation of hostilities," Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Harrigian, commander, U.S. Air Forces Central Command, told reporters this week.

The seven-day ceasefire could be completed by Tuesday. Top U.S. military officials plan to meet Monday to begin hammering out the details of the “joint integration center” that will be the hub for the military cooperation with Russia, according to one defense official.

“It is a significant increase in the mission,” said James Stavridis, a retired Navy admiral and former head of U.S. European Command who is now the dean of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. Stavridis said the broader aim of the agreement is to expedite diplomatic negotiations to end Syria’s complex and catastrophic civil war.

“The big news is that the U.S. and Russia are at least talking,” Stavridis said. “That begins to crack open the possibility of a political settlement. Without cooperation between the U.S. and Russia, we're never going to get to a resolution.”

Stavridis said he supports the deal for military cooperation in part because "in the end more bombs will fall on ISIS."

But U.S. and Russian commanders will likely experience tension over selecting and prioritizing targets. The Russians are more focused on al Nusra because that group poses a bigger threat to Syria’s major cities and the survival of President Bashar al Assad, a key Russian ally.

“Going into this, the U.S. wants overwhelming attention paid to ISIS targets. The Russians would much rather see the targeting of al Nusra. It’s going to be a negotiation on the ground between colonels and one stars that are putting together targeting lists,” Stavridis said.

Those negotiations could get ugly.

“They’re going to get into the nitty-gritty targeting disagreements,” said Jacqueline Lopour, a former CIA analyst who is now a research associate with the Centre for International Governance Innovation in Canada. “What if there’s a target and the Russians say ‘Our information says this is a terrorist’ and the U.S. says no, it’s not? They say ‘Show us your information’ and the U.S. says 'No, we’re not going to compromise our sources.' It’s going to get messy,” Lopour said. “What happens if someone vetoes a target and the other side goes ahead and strikes it anyway?” she said.

Complicating matters are the links between al Nusra militants -- who at times fight against ISIS -- and the American-backed rebels that the U.S. considers to be moderate.

“There’s a lot of ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend,’” Lopour said. “It’s all quite muddled and complex.”

The U.S. has teams of special operations troops on the ground in Syria to support some Sunni Arab militias in fights against ISIS. Other Sunni Arab groups receive money and weapons from the U.S. In some situations, they fight alongside al Nusra militants against common enemies like ISIS.

That ambiguity will frustrate the Russians.

"The Russia would like to make it black and white, and say 'U.S., you tell your guys to separate form Nusra.' But I can’t see the U.S. being that black and white about it,” Lopour said.

Determining who's associated with al Nusra will be a big challenge. And it will also be a matter of life and death for many Syrians, said Bassam Barabandi a former Syrian diplomat who now lives in Washington and helps run People Demand Change, an international development group focused on the Middle East.

“We have to separate Nusra into two categories. The ideological people who came from Afghanistan, the jihadis. Those people are crazy. They are a threat to the whole of humanity,” Barabandi said. “But then we have the majority of the people who are not so much affiliated with this ideology. They are affiliated with this group because of a lack of alternatives and because al Nusra has been successful in fighting the regime.

“If you target them, that will mean you are killing thousands of Syrians.”

Harrigian, the Air Force general overseeing the air campaign in Syria, said the American commitment to avoiding civilian casualties will remain intact regardless of any military cooperation with Russia.

“Our process won't change," he said. "We are going to continue to execute with precision; ensure that as we develop targets, we fully understand them.”
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Russia barely pulling its punches against the US today
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Personally I cannot help that note that this is a the US hand in the second incident against Syrian Government forces, isolated in the East of the Country within little more than a month, the first of course being at Al Hasakah, earlier this summer.

You do not need to to Sherlock to perceive a possible motive.

The US probably wants to secure northeastern Syria for the Kurds at the Syrian government's expense as a sop to the Kurds for Turkey's buffer zone in northwestern Syria keeping the Kurds east of the Euphrates. This would make any future Kurdish problem less of a burden for Turkey and more of one for Iraq and Iran. This would also make it more difficult and costly for the involved parties in any attempt to re-establish a land bridge from Iran all the way to the Syrian government stronghold of Latakia. IS is being corralled into becoming little more than a roadblock to this land bridge as rebels and extremists of other stripes in southern Syria with access to support from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Israel focus on fighting the Syrian government from that direction. Regime change and carving up Syria are still very much in the cards, or already well in progress, despite all the vocalizing to the contrary.
 

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The US probably wants to secure northeastern Syria for the Kurds at the Syrian government's expense as a sop to the Kurds for Turkey's buffer zone in northwestern Syria keeping the Kurds east of the Euphrates. This would make any future Kurdish problem less of a burden for Turkey and more of one for Iraq and Iran. This would also make it more difficult and costly for the involved parties in any attempt to re-establish a land bridge from Iran all the way to the Syrian government stronghold of Latakia. IS is being corralled into becoming little more than a roadblock to this land bridge as rebels and extremists of other stripes in southern Syria with access to support from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Israel focus on fighting the Syrian government from that direction. Regime change and carving up Syria are still very much in the cards, or already well in progress, despite all the vocalizing to the contrary.
The solution might be a coordinated policy vis-a-vis the Kurds by Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria. Such coordination would make possible a certain generosity towards the Kurds. The main problem would probably be the extensive corruption and the influence of Israel and US in Iraqi Kurdistan.
 

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The US probably wants to secure northeastern Syria for the Kurds at the Syrian government's expense as a sop to the Kurds for Turkey's buffer zone in northwestern Syria keeping the Kurds east of the Euphrates. This would make any future Kurdish problem less of a burden for Turkey and more of one for Iraq and Iran. This would also make it more difficult and costly for the involved parties in any attempt to re-establish a land bridge from Iran all the way to the Syrian government stronghold of Latakia. IS is being corralled into becoming little more than a roadblock to this land bridge as rebels and extremists of other stripes in southern Syria with access to support from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Israel focus on fighting the Syrian government from that direction. Regime change and carving up Syria are still very much in the cards, or already well in progress, despite all the vocalizing to the contrary.

What gave the Kurds or anyone outside of Syria the right carve up somebody else's homeland? Yes, I am aware of the Kurds historical plight but that don't mean you can start taking advantage of the chaotic situation as a self righteous justification to have your own country. To me they're doing the same land grabbing as ISIS have done.:mad::(
 
now I noticed in Twitter "French Foreign Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault accused Bashar al-Assad's government of undermining the ceasefire.

"We must not forget that it is first of all the (Syrian) regime, and it is always the regime, which has jeopardised the US-Russian ceasefire," he said in New York." quoted inside of Truce teeters after raids on Aleppo, Syria troops
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What gave the Kurds or anyone outside of Syria the right carve up somebody else's homeland? Yes, I am aware of the Kurds historical plight but that don't mean you can start taking advantage of the chaotic situation as a self righteous justification to have your own country. To me they're doing the same land grabbing as ISIS have done.:mad::(
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It was worse with Kosovo. In that case months of NATO bombing were necessary to lay the basis for the current failed state.
 

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now I noticed in Twitter "French Foreign Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault accused Bashar al-Assad's government of undermining the ceasefire.

"We must not forget that it is first of all the (Syrian) regime, and it is always the regime, which has jeopardised the US-Russian ceasefire," he said in New York." quoted inside of Truce teeters after raids on Aleppo, Syria troops
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France was an early sponsor of terrorists in Syria, directly after the destruction of the Libyan state which according to the British was a project of president Sarkozy than of prime minister Cameron.
From the AFP article:
Meanwhile, head of Fateh al-Sham Front, which changed its name from Al-Nusra Front after breaking ties with Al-Qaeda, said late Saturday that "neither we nor rebel groups will allow the siege of Aleppo to continue."

Abu Mohamed al-Jolani told Al-Jazeera negotiations were under way for anti-regime groups to band together in a single organisation.

Such a merger would throw a major wrench in the US-Russia deal, which foresaw cooperation between the two world powers against jihadists, including Fateh al-Sham and IS, if the truce holds for a week.
To the contrary that would change all "moderates" into extremists and should make cooperation between US and Russia easier.
 

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France was an early sponsor of terrorists in Syria, directly after the destruction of the Libyan state which according to the British was a project of president Sarkozy than of prime minister Cameron.

To the contrary that would change all "moderates" into extremists and should make cooperation between US and Russia easier.
I don't understand your point, undoubtedly it was essential to remove this dictator.
 
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