Well that is the thing man, is it really free choice anymore, when all you know and all of what you think are learn from the media in the first place? but in fact they are all from the talking points from the media. It is like a multiple choice answer, A, B, C, D etc... but all the answers are WRONG. So can you argue people still have a free will, when their will are not free? Ok back to Iran, I won't make more post about this anymore.
Is War Coming to Iran?
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Well that is the thing man, is it really free choice anymore, when all you know and all of what you think are learn from the media in the first place? but in fact they are all from the talking points from the media. It is like a multiple choice answer, A, B, C, D etc... but all the answers are WRONG. So can you argue people still have a free will, when their will are not free? Ok back to Iran, I won't make more post about this anymore.
Kurt
Junior Member
Here are some hopeless romantics informing the world about the truth they found out. It's very unwieldly to read and no entertainment:
is a list of information snippets, not digging deeper to verify them, but nicely shows how international connected Iran's ambition was.
If you read the articles linked below, you'll find out how these connections have been curtailed by different means. Iran seems to be scared of losing their favourite national project, because from their perspective it seems impossible to trust anyone abroad. As a consequence they consider it necessary that they must try to do all at home. China left them at least some blueprints for uranium enrichment - feels good to have some kind of friends abroad.
highlights how doing the same things can have totally different perceptions. Iran continuing their "good nuclear program" after the revolution became their "bad nuclear program".
for an attack on Iran from a new base in Azerbaijan (makes a dicator feel much safer nowadays). Azerbaijan is to Iran homeground. It was part of the Iran for the longest time of the very long history of this country and it's settled by the Azeri, an important Iranian population. It must feel to Iranians like to a British would be Ireland deciding to house German military bases during WWII.
@delft
The nuclear weapons story seems to go back to this "report" that is very likely false. There are dementis of exporting nuclear warheads to Iran by Russia(controlling the arsenal based in Kazakhstan all the time) and Kazakhstan, I couldn't yet find the story about the nuclear fissile material of the warheads being exported by Kazakhstan instead. Copied from the uppermost link above.
is a list of information snippets, not digging deeper to verify them, but nicely shows how international connected Iran's ambition was.
If you read the articles linked below, you'll find out how these connections have been curtailed by different means. Iran seems to be scared of losing their favourite national project, because from their perspective it seems impossible to trust anyone abroad. As a consequence they consider it necessary that they must try to do all at home. China left them at least some blueprints for uranium enrichment - feels good to have some kind of friends abroad.
highlights how doing the same things can have totally different perceptions. Iran continuing their "good nuclear program" after the revolution became their "bad nuclear program".
for an attack on Iran from a new base in Azerbaijan (makes a dicator feel much safer nowadays). Azerbaijan is to Iran homeground. It was part of the Iran for the longest time of the very long history of this country and it's settled by the Azeri, an important Iranian population. It must feel to Iranians like to a British would be Ireland deciding to house German military bases during WWII.
@delft
The nuclear weapons story seems to go back to this "report" that is very likely false. There are dementis of exporting nuclear warheads to Iran by Russia(controlling the arsenal based in Kazakhstan all the time) and Kazakhstan, I couldn't yet find the story about the nuclear fissile material of the warheads being exported by Kazakhstan instead. Copied from the uppermost link above.
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In this case, I actually think CIA is behind US, which wants to avoid war, but Israel is one pushing for it hard.
And no, don't blame CIA for MWD in Iraq, Bush wanted war, no agency or media is willing to do anything to stop it. Did CIA know there was no nuke? Of course they know. Were they going to publish this information? No, that would be unpatriotic.
Equation
Lieutenant General
And now whoever is pulling the strings, it looks to be leaning towards war in Iran or Syria.
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
I have a feeling that it was the Germans imn the mid 80's who broke the news of Irans rekindled interest in nuclear weapons using Pakistan supplied uranium.
solarz
Brigadier
Good question, but I would say that truth is irrelevant. If a person is restricted to choosing between A,B,C, and D, then he is not truly free, regardless of the veracity of those options. That is because those options had been dictated to him by others, and when all the options of a decision had been dictated by others, then it's really not a free choice.
Here is an article from Asia Times on line's Pepe Escobar:
Btw An article in my Dutch newspaper today considers that Kofi Annan's remark about the quarreling of the Great Powers with respect to his effort to achieve an end to the conflict in Syria is directed at the US, not Russia or China. The paper is center-right.
Btw An article in my Dutch newspaper today considers that Kofi Annan's remark about the quarreling of the Great Powers with respect to his effort to achieve an end to the conflict in Syria is directed at the US, not Russia or China. The paper is center-right.