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sunnymaxi

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Why would China sell its active service J-10C when it is literally starving for planes and still relying on J-7 to make up numbers.

China also needs its entire production capacity right now. I don't think it has spare capacity to sell too much to Iran.
PLAAF barely inducting new J-10C and J-10C assembly line is fully intact. last week we have seen a new batch being produced for exports. country is still unknown.


so the point is, China can fulfil the export demand of J-10C if needed.
 

Sinnavuuty

Captain
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PLAAF barely inducting new J-10C and J-10C assembly line is fully intact. last week we have seen a new batch being produced for exports. country is still unknown.


so the point is, China can fulfil the export demand of J-10C if needed.
Does fully intact mean that you can produce at an accelerated rate or keep the line open by producing a few fighters in batches?
 

defenceman

Junior Member
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Hi,
we talk about supplying J10c To Iran, but what about pilot and infrastructure training
and other customary lay out to up and running these J10s, what about pilot training
how long to train a pilot to be a air worthy to fly j10s without back seat pilot, so if
someone knows and answer the timeline of pilot training I believe by that time if. China
is willing to supply J10s to Iran that should not be a problem for assembling the units
but please bear in mind China doesn’t want Iran to rush with j10s towards Israel and shot down
by enemy air defence or in dog fight
thank you
 

defenceman

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exact status, we don't know but CAC cut down J-10C production in recent times. maybe only fulfilling export demand like additional jets for PAF and this unknown new customer.
Hi,
any idea how many they can take out from production line in a month, even if they are not
in hyper drive mode, probably 3/4 a month ?
thank you
.
 

sunnymaxi

Major
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Hi,
any idea how many they can take out from production line in a month, even if they are not
in hyper drive mode, probably 3/4 a month ?
thank you
.
it depends. if they receive a sizeable order then they will increase the production. PLAAF is not getting J-10 so newly J-10C are likely for export.

the point is, CAC can handle export orders from PAF/Iran and other countries.
 

xyz4321

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Iran was once one of the most developed countries in Asia, only behind Japan, Israel and the Soviet Union. But they took development for granted. The revolution was all about ideology and religion. The Shah was disregarding traditional culture and religion. Sure, the economy wasn't perfect, but it was developing quickly. People didn't like the Shah's secret police and repression of political and religious enemies.

Iranian modern history is another lesson in not letting the mob rule the nation. Democracy kills development
Libya was also the most developed in Africa, immense benefits for citizens that not even Americans have today. But they were restricted by Europeans in many things that caused their downfall. That's what US/Europe had in store for Iran under the Shah (and for everyone else, in general) - "obey us and we'll give you benefits; fold when we tell you".

In Iran, the obeying part consisted of British Petroleum owning Iranian energy resources (oil & gas) - a reality extremely despised by the local population. Ayatollahs, after the revolution, immediately nationalized oil & gas and kicked BP out - a move that was highly praised by citizens. That's when sanctions started.

Religion has not much to do with it. Saudi Arabia is a much more extreme theocracy, and US/EU have no problem dealing with them (because KSA submitted).

Shah was also psycho and decadent. Highly unpopular, selfish elitist type. See below,
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After the BVR "event" between India and Pakistan, I think many countries would be interested to buy J-10CE, it takes time, let's say within 5 years. So I don't think Iran would get it anytime soon. Also I have a doubt that China would sell it to Iran, security reason as so many mossad in Iran, also I don't think it is for the interest of China to upset the US and Israel for just Iran, Iran is not loyal to China even to Russia. Economic relationship between China and Israel is quite significant and growing
China did pledge that $400b investment into Iran, not Israel.

I don't see much issue in China providing J-10CE since it isn't China's most advanced aircraft. As for upsetting US/Israel, actually this is the perfect response because both those countries supply China's rivals with weapons (Israel to India, US to Japan, SK, Philippines, etc).
 
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enroger

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I don't see much issue in China providing J-10CE since it isn't China's most advanced aircraft. As for upsetting US/Israel, actually this is the perfect response because both those countries supply China's rivals with weapons (Israel to India, US to Japan, SK, Philippines, etc).

The platform itself is certainly not the most advanced, however the avionics and EW is still considered state of the art within PLA's orbats, unless they massively downgrade it in CE it would be problematic to let western intelligence have at it
 

Black Wolf

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they are easily the boldest air force and will absolutely take their chances.

While the Israeli Air Force (IAF) is often praised for its operational capabilities and strategic execution, it's important to note that it has rarely faced a peer-level adversary in terms of aircraft technology, weapons systems, or electronic warfare (EW) capabilities. Historically, the IAF has enjoyed significant qualitative advantages, operating in environments where opposing forces lacked comparable platforms or support infrastructure.

Even in recent engagements involving Iranian targets, Israel benefited from substantial logistical and intelligence support from allies, particularly the United States and EU countries. Despite this backing, the IAF has struggled to deliver decisive impacts on high-value sites like Iran's nuclear infrastructure, often requiring additional American assistance for operations of this scale and complexity.

This underscores a broader point: dominance in relatively uncontested environments doesn't necessarily equate to superiority in a high-intensity, peer-conflict scenario.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
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If, as rumoured, there are middle east nations on the line for J-35AE, then I see no reason why they would be worried if China sold J-10CE to Iran.

However that would also require Iran to pledge to not attack Gulf Countries, and to also completely turn off and disable GPS access and switch to BeiDou

Sorry but political trust on Iran promises are worth less than zero. Lets see their sincerity first
 
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