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It is 'impossible' for the UK to defend every ship from Iran, the Royal Navy is 'too small' and admirals need more cash, says defence minister Tobias Ellwood amid Iran crisis

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After the RN being subject to decades of neglect and politicians spinning that all is well, the "chickens have come home to roost"

Exactly, elections have consequences, there is one party that always neglects, even vilifys the military and other uniformed services. The results of ceding power to those types of individuals? is that the "common defense" always falls into massive disrepair.......
 
not sure what kind of 'wagging the dog' by the UK it is to detain that Iranian tanker;

LOL pulled at the time of no deal Brexit approaching,

at the time when the RN is unable to even man two of its major surface combatants (I guess the official for HMS Monmouth and Daring would be quote unquote refit),

and I'd rather not to comment on funds for the RN modernization,

and so on

anyway what Iran showed to the UK was

If You Look For Trouble, You Will Find It
 
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not sure what kind of 'wagging the dog' by the UK it is to detain that Iranian tanker;

LOL pulled at the time of no deal Brexit approaching,

at the time when the RN is unable to even man two of its major surface combatants (I guess the official for HMS Monmouth and Daring would be quote unquote refit),

and I'd rather not to comment on funds for the RN modernization,

and so on

anyway what Iran showed to the UK was

If You Look For Trouble, You Will Find It
and now I got to naval-technology.com
22 July 2019
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Royal Navy ‘too small’ to combat emerging threats, says UK defence minister
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UK Defence Minister Tobias Ellwood has warned that the Royal Navy is ‘too small’ to maintain a foothold on the world stage as tensions rise in the Strait of Hormuz.

Ellwood, the under-secretary of state for defence people and veterans, told Sky News that the UK had not “taken its eye off the ball”, however he did say that the Royal Navy needed more funding to maintain its place.

He added: “If we want to continue playing a role on the international stage, bearing in mind that threats are changing, all happening just beneath the threshold of all-out war, then we must invest more in our defence, including our Royal Navy.”

The minister’s comments came shortly before Prime Minister Theresa May held a COBRA meeting to discuss the ongoing tensions off the coast of Iran.

Ellwood told The Times: “The threats we’re facing are changing in front of us, the world is getting more complex. If we are wanting to continue to play this influential role on the international stage it will require further funding for our armed forces, not least the Royal Navy. Our Royal Navy is too small to manage our interests across the globe.”

Tensions between the UK and Iran have heightened after the Iranian Revolutionary Guard seized the British flagged tanker Stena Impero on Friday. Iran said the ship was “violating international maritime rules”.

Iranian Special Forces seized the tanker as it passed through the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation for the British impounding of an Iranian tanker in Gibraltar. However, the country’s Guardian Council said the ship’s seizure was in response to British actions.

A Guardian Council spokesperson, Abbas Ali Kadkhodaei, said: “The rule of reciprocal action is well-known in international law”, adding that the ship was taken after the “illegitimate economic war and seizure of oil tankers”.

The Strait of Hormuz has become a flashpoint in the Middle East with several high-profile incidents taking place across the past month including Iran shooting down a US unmanned aerial vehicle and the UK sending three warships to help guard shipping routes.

Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said about the seizure: “In targeting civilian shipping, international norms have been violated. It is essential that tankers and crews are able to pass through international waters safely.

“We call on Iran urgently to cease all forms of destabilising activity. The UK remains in close coordination with international partners to find diplomatic solutions to de-escalate tensions.”

Currently, the UK has three ships set to patrol the Strait of Hormuz: The
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HMS Montrose and HMS Kent and the
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Daring-class HMS Duncan.

Despite the Royal Navy investing in modernisation, its fleet is still significantly smaller than at any time in the past 40 years. In the 1980s the Royal Navy had a force of four aircraft carriers and 47 frigates; now the navy only has one aircraft carrier – yet to receive its aircraft – and 13 frigates.

Around 20 British tankers a day pass through the Strait of Hormuz, which is critical to international shipping transporting 22 million barrels of oil from around the world a day; however, the Royal Navy cannot escort each one.

The US has proposed “a multinational maritime effort” called Operation Sentinel to help protect shipping as it passes through the strait.

US Special Representative for Iran and senior policy advisor to the secretary of state, Brian Hook, said: “The goal of Operation Sentinel is to promote maritime stability, ensure safe passage, and de-escalate tensions in international waters throughout the Arabian Gulf, Strait of Hormuz, the Bab el-Mandeb Strait and the Gulf of Oman.”

The British tanker seized by Iran and her crew of 23 are currently being held in the port of Bandar Abbas, in southern Iran. The UK has yet to announce what actions it will take in response.
 

taxiya

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The UK absolutely have jurisdictional authority to impound the Iranian vessel because it was conducted within British territorial waters. The basic legal principle is every country has the legal authority to conduct its own legal affairs within its own jurisdiction. It is a sovereign right of very nation to conduct its own affairs within its own borders. Similarly, Iran has the right to export oil to Syria but just don't transit it through the territorial waters of another nation that has imposed sanctions on such activities.

In contrast, the British tanker as Mr T said was seized in international waters and not in Iranian waters. As such, Iran has no jurisdictional authority to conduct such an act and is in breach of international laws. If the British had seized the Iranian tanker in international waters then the British would similarly be acting illegally. It is the reason why the British waited for the Iranian vessel to enter its territorial waters before conducting the seizure. There are international rules. .
Check it again...
UK claims Hurmuz being international straight under international law, while claiming Gilbraltar straight under British law.
Here is the "Radio exchanges reveal Iran-UK confrontation" reported by BBC News.
The British captain's says :
Stena Impero, this is the British warship Foxtrott 236, I reiterate that as you are conducting transit passage in a recognized international straight, under international law your passage must not be impaired, impeded, obstructed or hampered, please confirm ....

You know that Hurmuz straight are territorial waters divided by Iran and Oman, even so, it is international straight and international (marine time) law applies according to British (the captain of F-236). Does the same law not apply in Gibraltar (even if in "territorial" water)? If impounding "Stena Impero" is "illegal", by the SAME logic, impounding the Iranian tanker is equally illegal.

Stop double standard and being a hypocrite. Please go back to debunk BBC, the Royal Navy captain and the British Government before you come here to put up a metal gymnastic show.
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
My taxpayer money in work.

I presume one of Teresa's friend ( or any other party in the two part oligarch) has long position on the oil market.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
You need to look at a map of the area. Gibraltar is not at the tip of the Spanish peninsula. It's to the east and north. The Iranian ship had the option of sailing through Spanish or Moroccan waters. So it couldn't claim it was doing a Straits passage when it entered Gibraltarian waters.

I don't know how accurate this map is, but I've seen different versions of it with roughly the same borders.

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Also, there is nothing in UNCLOS at all about sanctions. If you want to be pedantic, you could try to argue that even UN sanctions don't apply to Straits passages, because there's nothing in UNCLOS to allow them to apply in those situations. But my guess is that no one would interpret the document that way. So there clearly must be exceptions, perhaps set out in a different document.

No, no, once again, you don't understand transit passage. Transit passage does not allow you to say that since you don't have to pass through British waters, since you can pass through Spanish or Moroccan waters, therefore we can shut the area off to you. Transit passage applies specifically to the entire strait; ships have the right to pass through anybody's waters that make up the strait. That is the law. It was made that way to protect against multiple parties combining to abuse a strait for profit. For example, the UK, Spain, and Morocco can get together and agree to each charge a $5 million toll to pass by their waters and each can independently argue that it is not monopolizing a critical pass because one can always pass through the waters of the other 2. Transit passage was made to prohibit this; as long as your waters comprise part of the critical strait, it is open to travel; you have no right to tell ships to use the other parts of it that are not yours. Furthermore, whether waters are part of the strait are not determined by whatever logic you can come up with while looking at the map; they are determined by UNCLOS and waters around Gibraltar are definitely a part of the Gibraltar strait. Both of these concepts of 1. you don't have to pass by my waters because there are alternatives and 2. maybe Gibraltar is too far out to be a part of the Gibraltar strait, were fabricated in your mind, spawned by the desire to spin things in any way that you can to support British illegal activity and acquiesced by your lack of study, but it won't slide because what was illegal is still clearly illegal.

Now then, was the Iranian ship conducting illegal activity? It was sailing through with a load of oil. That is not an illegal activity; that is the dictionary definition of innocent passage. One does not have the legal authority to capture a ship that is engaged in innocent passage to charge it with a suspected future act (which is not even an international crime) while passing through an internationally-allowed strait. Even if in the future, they commit an act against your sanctions, your recourse is limited to economic retaliation; in no case would you have the legal authority to seize ships in engaged internationally-allowed innocent passage for breaking your domestic sanctions. That's called piracy.

And no, your own sanctions or any domestic laws would not override the international right of transit passage because that is how one starts to charge a toll. Everyone starts off "sanctioned" against passing through and those who pay the toll or annual subscription fee are removed from the sanctioned list. See? Clever try but transit passage doesn't allow that.
 

Mr T

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Seems like the French have agreed to a European naval force for the Gulf and will contribute towards it. Should avert any concerns that a US-led initiative would be used to provoke armed conflict.

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not sure what kind of 'wagging the dog' by the UK it is to detain that Iranian tanker;

LOL pulled at the time of no deal Brexit approaching,

at the time when the RN is unable to even man two of its major surface combatants (I guess the official for HMS Monmouth and Daring would be quote unquote refit),

and I'd rather not to comment on funds for the RN modernization,

and so on

anyway what Iran showed to the UK was

If You Look For Trouble, You Will Find It
now
Iran’s illegal seizure of a British tanker – a failure by the Royal Navy or a failure of strategy?
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kind of 'bright future' type of blog post, some UK fanbois are hilarious in the discussion below it
 
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