Iowa-class battleship vs. Kirov-class battlecruiser


jacks

Just Hatched
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I think you look at the brochures too much.
Actually, I spent 9 years in the navy, including with the Kennedy battlegroup in the 80's. So I do have a good idea about the ship. I think you just put your foot in your mouth.
 

FriedRiceNSpice

Senior Member
Random question... but since shells actually move at speeds less than that of the fastest anti-ship missiles and follow a predictable trajectory, shouldn't they be easier to swat down than say a sunburn or moskit?
 

jacks

Just Hatched
Registered Member
There are far more shells than missles on a ship. Like I said, once the missles, offencive and defensive and the phaylanx systems are empty, there will still be plenty of shells tor the guns.
 

Pointblank

Senior Member
Random question... but since shells actually move at speeds less than that of the fastest anti-ship missiles and follow a predictable trajectory, shouldn't they be easier to swat down than say a sunburn or moskit?
The supersonic anti-ship missiles, like the Moskit are actually easier to target. Big thermal and radar signature of these missiles, coupled with that they don't fly at sea level. Not to mention that they are not very maneuverable; the faster you fly, the harder it is make big course corrections. Inertial and G-forces play havoc at such high speeds.

It gets even worst at hypersonic speeds; your turning radius for any system designed for hypersonic speed will fit in a small country.
 

IronsightSniper

Junior Member
Random question... but since shells actually move at speeds less than that of the fastest anti-ship missiles and follow a predictable trajectory, shouldn't they be easier to swat down than say a sunburn or moskit?
Not really. Modern AShMs are large things, and if they're sea-skimming, you won't be able to see them beyond visual horizon, by the way, anyways (which is about 30 km for a good 3 m sea skimmer). Detecting them would be somewhat difficult, again has to do with the fact that it's sea skimming, though, the radar horizon is farther away than the visual horizon. When they do get into range, it wouldn't be hard to see them, though, they're big, they're fast, they're load, they're hot, etc. Not to mention that it doesn't enter supersonic mode late in the game, and cruises the majority of the way, making it easy to detect by off-board sensors.

A 16 inch shell, on the other hand, is relatively small, quite fast all the way through (Muzzle velocity is Mach 2.2, Impact velocity at maximum range is Mach 1.5), and you can spam them better than you can spam missiles. There's also the issue that gun-based CIWS's are useless against AP shells.
 

Mysterre

Banned Idiot
Not really. Modern AShMs are large things, and if they're sea-skimming, you won't be able to see them beyond visual horizon, by the way, anyways (which is about 30 km for a good 3 m sea skimmer). Detecting them would be somewhat difficult, again has to do with the fact that it's sea skimming, though, the radar horizon is farther away than the visual horizon. When they do get into range, it wouldn't be hard to see them, though, they're big, they're fast, they're load, they're hot, etc. Not to mention that it doesn't enter supersonic mode late in the game, and cruises the majority of the way, making it easy to detect by off-board sensors.

A 16 inch shell, on the other hand, is relatively small, quite fast all the way through (Muzzle velocity is Mach 2.2, Impact velocity at maximum range is Mach 1.5), and you can spam them better than you can spam missiles. There's also the issue that gun-based CIWS's are useless against AP shells.
Wow, I didn't know this thread was still going. Anyway, I think the Kirov would know better than to slug it out with an Iowa. Any thought of the Kirov willingly entering inside the range of the Iowa's 16-inchers for any reason whatsoever is absolutely delusional. If both ships run out of missiles without one of the ships sinking or being permanently damaged, the Kirov will withdraw for sure, and the Iowa will not likely give chase as it is not significantly faster than the Kirov.
 

Pointblank

Senior Member
Wow, I didn't know this thread was still going. Anyway, I think the Kirov would know better than to slug it out with an Iowa. Any thought of the Kirov willingly entering inside the range of the Iowa's 16-inchers for any reason whatsoever is absolutely delusional. If both ships run out of missiles without one of the ships sinking or being permanently damaged, the Kirov will withdraw for sure, and the Iowa will not likely give chase as it is not significantly faster than the Kirov.
However, the Iowa's can take more punishment and keep operating closer to specs (the superstructure would be badly bloodied), while the Kirov's are totally unarmored.
 

Mr.Mk48

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The simple fact is, if i may weigh in, that a torpedo mk 45 or mk48 gas jetting beneath any battleship = a sinking ship and a crew with no bones left, off the side gents, and pray your mid air when the bubble comes
 

Jeff Head

General
Staff member
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The simple fact is, if i may weigh in, that a torpedo mk 45 or mk48 gas jetting beneath any battleship = a sinking ship and a crew with no bones left, off the side gents, and pray your mid air when the bubble comes
Welcome to the forum, Mk48.

Hehehe...your Dolphins are showing.

As in, "any other vessel is not a boat or a ship, it is a target!"
 

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