Instead of just Upgrades, and about the future flankers

Okie like it said by the titles, what about the J-11B and such that will roll out of production

China WILL mass-produce instead of India relying on purchase, the J-11B will be of SAC's own piece of art

My point here is to state what will the J-11 be based with, not on.

The Su-27 is worth an unsatisfactory rank, The Su-30MKK is deployed just as attack planes also able to fire the R-77.

I know the original J-11A is just a copy of the Su-27SK, but since China is just going to produce itz own, will it be based with the Su-34, 35, 37? (34 for a twin seat modifed for attack role)

this is exactly what ive been thinking for a while china has the basic airframe and production rights if they can build J 11 then they can uppgrade and modify it to there needs

J-11s aren't copies. They're Su-27 kits made in Russia and assembled in China. The components are China's decision.

well, j-11b may come out anywhere from 2015 or so. the chinese are already testing a new radar, and avionics suite, to support a more multirole mission. and they plan to use ws-10a. some j-11s are already modified to fire r-77, anjd there is no reason that these j-11bs cant fire r-77 or pl-12.

put on canards!!!!!

I doubt that China has blueprints to build the advanced Fullbacks or even just Flanker-Es.

The Fullback have not even entered service in the VVS, and I belive China would not prioritize building an such advanced plane so "early" in their Flanker history.
My two cents goes to building more Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2s and 3s.

Oh, and throw out a couple of hundreds of the smaller J-10s for use as primary fighter.

Gauntlet said:

I doubt that China has blueprints to build the advanced Fullbacks or even just Flanker-Es.

The Fullback have not even entered service in the VVS, and I belive China would not prioritize building an such advanced plane so "early" in their Flanker history.
My two cents goes to building more Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2s and 3s.

Oh, and throw out a couple of hundreds of the smaller J-10s for use as primary fighter.

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uhhhh...
ok. the chinese have already stopped ordering mkks and mkk2s since the plane wansnt so great. the mkk3 was cancelled. China has been operating flankers since 1992, giving them 14 years of experience!. plus, theyt have been co producing su-27s since 96. there already are chinese posters claiming that china is building an aircraft based on the fullback.

the russians are getting 6 fullbacks next year.

So you realy think the PLAAF should start producing advanced Fullbacks and Flanker-Es all by themself?

Gauntlet said:

So you realy think the PLAAF should start producing advanced Fullbacks and Flanker-Es all by themself?

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yeah. russian assistance might be needed, but the plaaf can manage it

Have they even produced MKK and MK2s themself?
AFAIK, they have only produced relativly simple Flanker-Bs themself, and that was even with finished Russian blueprints.

My suggestion is to let the Russian do the job for them.

It would take up to much time and money to start a new developement of the Fullback and Flanker-E all by themself.

Gauntlet said:

Have they even produced MKK and MK2s themself?
AFAIK, they have only produced relativly simple Flanker-Bs themself, and that was even with finished Russian blueprints.

My suggestion is to let the Russian do the job for them.

It would take up to much time and money to start a new developement of the Fullback and Flanker-E all by themself.

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the issue is not whether they have produced MKK and MK2 by themselves. In no certain terms, certain plaaf pilots have called these planes "a piece of crap". I won't go that far, but they are certainly not worth the money that paid for them.

As for J-11B, they've started production of J-11B with the successful launch of WS-10A. Check the photo on CDF. It better be out before 2015, we should already have J-12 and possibly J-14 in service by then.

As for J-11B, it's supposed to be developed to at least the su-27smk standard. That's why China is not interested in the su-27smk upgrades.

As for fullbacks, China is trying to develop something in the class of fullbacks, but who really knows when it will be finished? We just know from kanwa that it has started this project. Personally, I think plaaf needs to purchase su-34/35bm for the time being.