Inside China: Admiral says China can destroy destroyers? true or not?

s002wjh

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i have hard time to believe someone in the position of adm will say stupid things like this? so is this true or not?

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The Navy’s next-generation warship, the 15,000-ton Zumwalt-class destroyer, is no good and can be destroyed by Chinese fishing boats armed with explosives, according to a leading Chinese military commentator, People’s Liberation Army Rear Adm. Zhang Zhaozhong.
 

i.e.

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i have hard time to believe someone in the position of adm will say stupid things like this? so is this true or not?

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022 Missile Boats is the low cost Zerglings in the Zerg Swamp. guided by C4SRI assets.

infact I think it is piossible to rig the missile boats so that they do not require any crewing. Set in autopilot go on a course, launch missiles at a particular coordinate and go home...
 

paintgun

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he's entitled to his opinion

his comments were not my favorite, and this is not the first time foreign and anti China news outlet used his comments as propaganda material, even if taken out of context
 

Kurt

Junior Member
This has to do with the old Maoist doctrine that tried to build something like a naval guerilla force. So far the idea of zerg swarming has been pushed for a very long time in naval warfare, it's a continuation of the Jeune École ideas that in actual combat failed miserably with all kinds of speedboats and torpedoboats. So far the options seem limited to terrorism, mining and espionage with such boats while asymmetric capability is subsurface or above the surface, but not with attacking crafts on the surface. The Russians had their own try at this with shipkilling missiles, but even these needed surviveable paltforms with enough SIGINT support. I don't believe small boat swarms are a feasible solution for this problem except on paper.
 

paintgun

Senior Member
mass deployment of missile attack boats has its own use, situation like Iran or North Korea when asymmetry capability however small is valuable and the deployment area is suitable, especially Iran

in Soviet Union's case, they can not really on such strategy, for if the battle has shifted to the coastlines, they are already at the end of the line
 

s002wjh

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the thing is during conflict any US destroyer will supported by other platform. sate, recon, sub, carrier etc etc.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I think the point is that if you ignore the swarms of fishing boats and speedboats, they'll sink you. If you use up most of your munitions sinking those boats before they sink you, then you won't have enough left over to defend yourself against the real military threats.

Well no. Small vessels like speed boats can be neutralized via large caliber machine guns. When you factor in .50 MG bullets vs number of speed boats, the cost effectiveness heavily favors the bullets.

Since speed boats have a limited range anyway, self-rising sea mines would be far more effective than modern versions of "fire boats".

Drone submarines, on the other hand, is a whole other matter.
 

s002wjh

Junior Member
I think the point is that if you ignore the swarms of fishing boats and speedboats, they'll sink you with explosives. If you use up most of your munitions sinking those boats before they sink you, then you won't have enough left over to defend yourself against the real military threats. In a sense, the value of your munitions is significantly greater than the value of your targets. They're like decoys, except they can sink you.

As I have already said, this is a tactic that an officer of the U.S. navy had successfully used against his competitor in a war game. It was a humiliating defeat for his competitor.

The lesson we all should have learned is that asymmetric warfare can be overwhelmingly successful when used simultaneously with conventional military assets.

i think a 3k round/min vulcan gun can track a missile than it can be use against speedboat. heck few heli with suffice bullet will plug off speedboats like turkey shooting.

could you provide a source or something, where did you heard it? maybe situation was different, no other support or near some coastal shallow water, don't know
 

i.e.

Senior Member
This has to do with the old Maoist doctrine that tried to build something like a naval guerilla force. So far the idea of zerg swarming has been pushed for a very long time in naval warfare, it's a continuation of the Jeune École ideas that in actual combat failed miserably with all kinds of speedboats and torpedoboats. So far the options seem limited to terrorism, mining and espionage with such boats while asymmetric capability is subsurface or above the surface, but not with attacking crafts on the surface. The Russians had their own try at this with shipkilling missiles, but even these needed surviveable paltforms with enough SIGINT support. I don't believe small boat swarms are a feasible solution for this problem except on paper.

actually PT boats and Small gunboats did fine in coastal battles with Nationalists Forces, which mainly is a frigate/destroyer fleet, near chinese coast in the 50s.

Jeune Ecole isn;t a bad idea just because no one event in history has fully validated the idea.
 
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