India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan

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Hendrik_2000

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Before Doklam incident Shigatze does not have permanent fighter regiment They did rotate and exercise air regiment from other part of China.

But now it might change . Anyway here is another news Indian Helicopter crash while ferrying supply to the front(Tawang). Since the Indian road is not well developed they depend exclusively on fragile air transport. Imagine in real war those helicopter will get shot with manpad

Indian helicopter crashes near Chinese border, 7 dead
Fri Oct 6, 2017 08:07AM
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An Indian air force helicopter has crashed in the country’s remote northeastern border with China, killing all seven crew members and passengers.

The helicopter—a Russian-made Mi-17—went down during a routine flight in the mountainous Tawang area in the northeastern state of Arunachal Pradesh on Friday, said defense spokesman Suneet Newton.

He said that the cause of the accident was not immediately known.

According to an Indian official who spoke on the condition of anonymity, the helicopter that had both air force and army personnel on board was carrying supplies for Indian military posts close to the border with China.

India was recently involved in a military standoff with China over the remote, uninhabited territory known as Doklam, which is a thin strip of land in the junction with India's ally, Bhutan.

The standoff began in June, when New Delhi deployed troops to stop China building a road in the Doklam area, after the Bhutanese government issued a formal complaint.

India said China's military activity in the area was a threat to the security of its own northeastern region. China, however, said India had no role to play in the area and called on it to withdraw unilaterally or face the prospect of an escalation.

India eventually agreed to withdraw its forces and remove military equipment from the region.

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Hendrik_2000

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China widen and paving existing road to connect with Bhutan This time around they are accompanied by 500 soldiers and of course fighter jet nearby. What is Indian going to do?
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HIGHLIGHTS
  1. China starts expanding road in disputed Doklam Plateau
  2. 500 soldiers accompanying construction workers
  3. New construction in same area that India holds highly sensitive

Barely a month after the winding down of an aggressive stand-off with India at the Sikkim border, the Chinese army is back to building a road on the Doklam Plateau, just 10 km from the location of the last conflict. The Doklam Plateau is claimed by both Beijing and Bhutan as their territory. India backs Bhutan's claim.
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China starts expanding road in disputed Doklam Plateau

In mid-June, Indian soldiers crossed the Sikkim border to stop the construction of a Chinese road near the "Chicken's Neck", a thin strip that links India to its northeastern states. After nearly 70 days of soldiers from both sides staring down at each other just 150 metres apart, the conflict, described as the worst in decades, subsided with both countries accepting that they were withdrawing their troops, though details were sketchy.

China pulled back its bulldozers and other road-making equipment, said officials in Delhi at the time. Chinese officers said the weather would be among the factors that would determine its plans for construction.


Now, barely 10 kilometres from the location of the stand-off, China is expanding an existing track, reinforcing its claim to the disputed and remote Doklam Plateau. India backs Bhutan's claim to the region and has made it clear that it will not tolerate any infrastructure that would allow China access to the Chicken's Neck, located just south of Doklam.


Thwarted in its last attempt, China has now shifted its unused road construction material North and East of the face-off site. Road construction workers brought into the area are accompanied by upto 500 soldiers though there are no indicators that these soldiers will be permanently based in the area - the Chinese town of Yatung, which is less than 20 km away as the crow flies, is a few hours by road and accommodates them. Neither are there signs of permanent structures to accommodate Chinese soldiers in the area which is snow-bound and bitterly cold in the winter.

Army officers NDTV has spoken to believe that the new road construction is meant to be a strong signal of Beijing's intent to prove its territorial claims. A month ago, Army Chief Bipin Rawat had warned, "As far as the Northern adversary is concerned, flexing of muscles has started. Salami slicing, taking over territory in a very gradual manner, testing our limits or threshold is something we have to be wary about. Remain prepared for situations that are emerging gradually into conflict."
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Construction in the same area that India holds highly sensitive

It is likely that the Army Chief was referring to these renewed Chinese efforts despite the de-escalation of the Doklam crisis which paved the way for the Prime Minister to travel to Xiamen for the BRICS summit last month.

Sources have told NDTV that fresh Chinese road construction activity in the area began shortly after India and China chose to deescalate tensions on August 28. On August 18, the Indian Army, which dominates the area, moved into the Doklam Plateau from their base at the nearby Doka La (pass) and physically prevented the Chinese from stretching the track. China's goal had been to extend the track south across the Torso Nallah to the Jhamperi Ridge, a dominant feature in the area where the Bhutanese Army has a base.
 

Figaro

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So much for the Indians claiming victory at Doklam :D. They'll do anything to make themselves appear the victor ... until the real world hits them.
1,000 Chinese soldiers reportedly still in Doklam a month after border stand-off ended

Patrols and road-building teams continue to operate in disputed region in Himalayas, but analysts say it’s just business as usual

PUBLISHED : Friday, 06 October, 2017, 4:30pm

(SCMP) Despite the conflict on the Doklam plateau having supposedly been brought to an end in early September, Indian troops remain on high alert because of the presence of the Chinese force, The Indian Express quoted unnamed Indian government sources as saying.

The Chinese troops are stationed just a few hundred metres from the conflict site, but their presence is not likely to trigger another “flashpoint” between the two nations, the report said.

New Delhi Television reported that the Chinese troops were still working on a road project in the area – which was the spark cause of the stand-off – but that there were no indications they were planning to stay permanently.

China’s defence ministry did not respond to requests for comment on the media reports.

Beijing-based military expert Zhou Chenming said, however, that the Chinese soldiers were almost certainly in the area to carry out infrastructure construction work.

“The PLA [China’s military] has a base not far from the site of the stand-off and several hundred soldiers are stationed there,” he said.

“Usually they have work to do in the region, like building roads, so that is what they are probably doing as there is still some time before the snowy season.”

Tensions between China and India rose significantly after the pair became embroiled in a stand-off on the remote plateau in June. The conflict, in an area claimed by both Beijing and Bhutan, an ally of India, lasted for 73 days until the two sides withdrew their troops – or at least claimed to – in early September.


The move came just days ahead of an emerging market nations’ summit in southeast China, which was attended by both Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

In talks with Modi on the sidelines of the event, Xi said the two countries should work to put their bilateral ties back on track.

On conclusion of the BRICS – Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa – summit on September 5, all Indian soldiers returned to their regular bases in the Doklam area, The Indian Express report said. However, the Chinese military did not dismantle any of their tents or temporary structures in the area and, as a result, they are now back under the surveillance of the Indian Army, it said.

The report came after Indian Air Chief Marshal B S Dhanoa told a press conference on Thursday that Chinese troops were still stationed in Chumbi Valley in the Doklam area.

India Today quoted him as saying that he hoped they “will withdraw in future after their exercises are over”.

Long Xingchun, a South Asian affairs expert at China West Normal University in Sichuan, said that the presence of Chinese troops in Doklam did not necessarily mean that Beijing had gone back on its promise.

“What Beijing agreed with New Delhi was to suspend road building in the region and disengage from the hostile stand-off.” he said.

“That didn’t mean that Chinese troops would leave the region forever.”

Beijing still claims the disputed border area, he said.

“Chinese soldiers will continue to patrol in Doklam,” Long said. “What changes from time to time is their number.”

Rajeev Rajan Chaturvedy, a research associate at the Institute of South Asian Studies at the National University of Singapore, agreed, saying that the stand-off had ended, but not China’s military presence in the area.

“There is a heavy presence of Chinese troops a few hundred metres away from the site of the stand-off, and they are likely to remain at least until the winter,” he said, adding that the troops were widening roads in the area and conducting regular patrols.

“I don’t think there has been any change at the Doklam stand-off site, as India still won’t allow any road construction work in the disputed territory,” he said.

“However, I don’t see there being another stand-off, as this time the Chinese troops are stationed a bit further back from the conflict site,” Chaturvedy said.

“And with the [Communist] party congress set to start in a few days, I don’t think the PLA [China’s military] will want to cause any tension.”

Rohan Mukherjee, an Asian affairs expert at Yale-NUS College in Singapore, said that despite the disengagement of troops in Doklam, Beijing’s territorial claims and ambitions in the regions were unaltered.

“The stand-off was resolved because of the political situation at the time,” he said. “China had to be seen to be de-escalating the conflict because of the BRICS summit. If it had persisted, Modi would simply have avoided it, and without India there can be no BRICS.”

It was also no surprise that Chinese troops were still visible in the region, Mukherjee said.

“The agreement between India and China was for a disengagement from the site of the stand-off. The fact that Chinese soldiers remain on the plateau is not surprising. If anything, the dispute has strengthened China’s resolve to maintain its position in the region and not lose face.”
 

ougoah

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Important bit is the road construction. Whether China will continue expanding the road around the disputed area with Bhutan. Indians are now claiming the road being constructed is in another area that's not disputed so they won't do anything. But as soon as Chinese get back to work on the one going into disputed territory, they will be back like curry on rice. We'll see how that goes.
 

manqiangrexue

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Important bit is the road construction. Whether China will continue expanding the road around the disputed area with Bhutan. Indians are now claiming the road being constructed is in another area that's not disputed so they won't do anything. But as soon as Chinese get back to work on the one going into disputed territory, they will be back like curry on rice. We'll see how that goes.
Where has India claimed that they would be back? Can you give the article? That's a very stupid thing to say because wherever they're talking about, next time China would have troops deployed guarding their construction team and India wouldn't for the love of life dare start that fight. If they had the nerve to really face the PLA, they wouldn't have unilaterally withdrawn in the first place.
 

ougoah

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No article. Just internet warriors. Why I said it remains to be seen what they actually do if and when Chinese resume road building in the original disputed area. I'm not sure if they have already. Indians have created an excuse for their withdrawal and subsequent absence this way.
 

manqiangrexue

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No article. Just internet warriors. Why I said it remains to be seen what they actually do if and when Chinese resume road building in the original disputed area. I'm not sure if they have already. Indians have created an excuse for their withdrawal and subsequent absence this way.
Just Indians trying to talk themselves out of committing suicide LOL. Not even worth discussing. I think we all know that India would never even think about pulling this stunt in the face of armed PLA troops. Even if China stupidly sends another team of unguarded construction workers, the chances that India wants to replay this incident are not high.
 

Hendrik_2000

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China first deploy her most sophisticated UAV at China Indian border at Shigatze. From Henri blog
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While it is difficult to speak objectively of the recent conflict between India, Bhutan and China in the Doklam region, which resulted in the (temporary) withdrawal of all parties from 28 August , one can at least confirm that the Chinese armed forces had gradually strengthened on the Sino-Indian border throughout the confrontation, deploying several fighter jets, bomber fighter jets as well as long range reconnaissance drones EA-03 , better known as the " Soaring Dragon " carried by the prototype, in one of the five Chinese airports in Tibet.

The information was first revealed by our colleague Huitong, author of
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. According to the satellite images of Shigatsé Heping airport on 24 August this year - four days before the end of the confrontation - at least three EA-03 drones, eight J-10fighter jets, two JH-7A bomber fighter aircraft and two Su-30MKK heavy bomber fighters were identified on site, within 250 km as the crow flies from the exact location of the conflict.

Other more recent images, dated September 6, indicate that the same EA-03s were still moving in the area after the confrontation.

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Shigatsé-Heping Airport, 6th August 2017 (Image: TerraServer)

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The image dated 24 August 2017, three EA-03s are located near the runway (Image: TerraServer)

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On 6 September, the three EA-03s are still in motion (Image: TerraServer)

These images confirm not only that the new EA-03, known as High Altitude and Long-Endurance (HALE), has actually entered into active and operational service, but there was above all a clear intention of the Chinese Army to to carry out a precision military operation on its border with India, which requires the means of surveillance and reconnaissance both close and quasi-permanent present.

Developed by the 611 Chengdu Institute of the AVIC Group, the same engineering company that designed the J-10 , J-20 and FC-1 fighter jets , the EA-03 is a drone carrying more than 7,000 kg weight on take-off and capable of flying at 750 km / h on a cruising ceiling at an altitude of 18,000 meters.

Characterizing by its somewhat particular configuration in rhomboidal wing, the machine has a consequent autonomy of 7 000 km, or 36 hours in flight, according to its designer.

This relatively large passing distance gives the EA-03 a radius of action of about 3,000 km, sufficient to cover the entire Indian territory, or even beyond. If deployed locally on a front line and relayed to several, it allows the Chinese Army to keep an eye and ears permanently on the 600 km deep from the point of conflict in Doklam.

And it is probably for these reasons that three EA-03s were simultaneously in Shigatsé Heping, where the word Heping ironically means "Peace" in Chinese.

It is unclear for the moment whether these three drones HALE of the Chinese army are part of those that left the factory of Anshun in 2016 or they were produced before. In any case, it is not excluded that this is the first operational deployment of the EA-03.

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Hendrik_2000

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At the GAIC Anshun plant where the EA-03s are produced, at least 4 of these drones came out of the assembly line in August 2016 (Image: DigitalGlobe)

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An EA-03 in assembly at Anshun (Photo: GAIC)

As for the other fighter aircraft in Shigatsé Heping, the information indicates that the units of the Chinese air force actually take turns and are not based on permanent place.

For example, the J-10s seen on satellite images in early August would come from a Southern Theater Command unit, replacing the other J-10 Western Commanders who invested the same between April and July.

Moreover, the fact that the Chinese bomber fighter JH-7A and Su-30MKK are also present also shows that the Chinese army did not only intend to protect its airspace, with J-10 type interceptor fighter aircraft , but would also have prepared to hit the Indian targets on the ground if the confrontation persists.

If we believe in the Indian media NDTV,
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. The materials not used in the previous attempt would have been moved to another site, under the protection of 500 Chinese soldiers.

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The five Chinese civil-military airports in Tibet

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Shigatsé-Heping Airport, Bhutan and Arunachal Pradesh

Still on the border with Bhutan but in the east, in Arunachal Pradesh, a Mi-17 of the Indian army crashed on 6 October by killing the 7 people on board. The helicopter was on a refueling mission to a vanguard position in a disputed area with China.

To be continued.
 

omarbuzz

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Chinese road building activity is
"10 kilometres from the location of the stand-off."
India still is winning!
 
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